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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: 2/18/71 - Port Chester - "Beautiful Jam" Reply with quote

I posted some on this elsewhwere, and there's no reason to elaborate on the historical significance of the Port Chester experiments. Just wanted to enthuse a bit about the 2/18 show, which has first time ever versions of...

Bertha,
Loser,
Greatest Story,
Wharf Rat,
and Playin in the Band.

However, the real meat of this one is the Dark Star -> Wharf Rat -> Dark Star -> MAMU portion. The Wharf Rat -> Dark Star has literally brought tears to my eyes. This was one of my first shows on cassette and one of the most played by far. This show "was" the GD to me for a very long time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still need to get around to checking that out some time. I have probably heard it, but definitely don't recall... meaning it was probably back pre-Archive/Maxell Tape using days
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty raw stuff, but I like it that way. I love the Hard to Handle too. But you've got to remember, these are the archetypal versions of these songs to me. Sometimes I like to listen to the entire Port Chester run from end to end just to get back to basics.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually listen to 87 when I want to get back to basics.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts on sources on this show?
I am listening to this one:
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and Phil sounds really good on it.
Of course this venue saw a lot of x-factor shows.
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Any thoughts on sources on this show?
I am listening to this one:
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and Phil sounds really good on it.
Of course this venue saw a lot of x-factor shows.


I like this one, but I think they're all pretty decent...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This show is one of my all time favorites....The cover art I posted sometime last week was for ths show....I totally agree snowandrain, DS>>>MAMU is incredible.....Beautiful jam is my fav DS jam...LAter
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This show is one of my all time favorites....The cover art I posted sometime last week was for ths show....I totally agree snowandrain, DS>>>MAMU is incredible.....Beautiful jam is my fav DS jam...LAter


3rd times a charm... are you going to upload your album art and link us? We would appreciate that...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this show. Haven't listened to it in a while, but a definite all time classic and one of the best of 71. Perhaps I will take a break from the 85 Summer tour and give it a spin.

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I will start upping it this weekend Brother...LAter
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GODDAMN!! THIS BERTHA IS JACKED UP!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I just finished listening to the DS>>>>MAMU
Definitely some nice jam during that "beautiful jam", worthy of two slices of your finest bread. Clearly a moment of just letting the music flow with the moment. As far as 71 is concerned, this is a great moment.
I have heard better stuff... but definitely remarkable.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THis whole Port Chester run is absolutely fantastic. Listen to all of them. They won't disappoint. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THis whole Port Chester run is absolutely fantastic. Listen to all of them. They won't disappoint. Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Port Chester anniversary this week, 38 years ago......Everyone have a drink on me and toast to this outstanding run....PEace
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, at the risk of you all abandoning ship on the captain... or worse yet, mutiny!!!

I just don't get it. The "beautiful" jam...

Sure, it is a nice jam, but not that great to me, and certainly not to be singled out as the "beautiful" jam. Come on, I could name many many a jam that I would consider better than this... how about almost any MLB Jam from late 73 for example? Just to through one out there.
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yikes!
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Alright, at the risk of you all abandoning ship on the captain... or worse yet, mutiny!!!

I just don't get it. The "beautiful" jam...

Sure, it is a nice jam, but not that great to me, and certainly not to be singled out as the "beautiful" jam. Come on, I could name many many a jam that I would consider better than this... how about almost any MLB Jam from late 73 for example? Just to through one out there.


Further more, I don't even find it to be the best of the Pigpen Era... there are tons of things before that show that I find to be just as beautiful. The part of the beautiful jam that is actually beautiful isn't even all that long really.

I mean really guys.
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it's called "beautiful jam" on the So Many Roads box set. i think that's where the title came from. i agree that the dead played many, many beautiful jams. for me this one also has special significance since cuz it was one of my favorite parts of one of my early tapes back in high school.
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Alright, at the risk of you all abandoning ship on the captain... or worse yet, mutiny!!!

I just don't get it. The "beautiful" jam...

Sure, it is a nice jam, but not that great to me, and certainly not to be singled out as the "beautiful" jam. Come on, I could name many many a jam that I would consider better than this... how about almost any MLB Jam from late 73 for example? Just to through one out there.


Further more, I don't even find it to be the best of the Pigpen Era... there are tons of things before that show that I find to be just as beautiful. The part of the beautiful jam that is actually beautiful isn't even all that long really.

I mean really guys.


Dude.........The power of any jam is where it takes you........The bright sound of that SG makes the jam ....I do not think the length of the jam has anything to do with how good it is...There are several MLB's as well as Spanish jams that are not well done and very long.....As far as this not being the best of the Pigpen era, I agree sort of(this show is among the very best).....HOWEVER, to make sweeping statements about '71 like you have many times my brother, well, is just plain missing it......I believe two of the greatest shows the band ever played were in 1971....That would be this show we are discussing as well as 4/29/71............I think you are focusing way too much on the Beautiful part and not enough on the Jam part..........PEace
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I definitely miss what 71 offers you all, because it just bores me. I am not the only one who misses it... in fact, a lot of people miss it... does that mean it isn't there? No... its just like some people miss the point to the post Keith period... as though Keith were the heart of the band, and not Jerry.

I can understand S&R liking it because it was instrumental to his early deadhead eduction. I do, I have jams, segments, etc. that I like that I am sure others don't find nearly as cool.

When I say the part of the jam that I found interesting was short, I mean as in REALLY short, like 30 seconds or less. As I often do during this period, I found myself saying... when is the cool [CENSORED] going to finally get here. When I listen to a year like 68 for example, I don't have to wait long at all, or when I hear an 83, I don't have to wait long... in 71... I wait and wait...
I reminds me of the movie "Euro Trip", where the guy and the girl were in the "Bakery" and they thought they were eating pot brownies... the guy starts thinking he is bugging out because he expects it to be so powerful... and he starts wigging... He jumps up on the table and says:
"I watched a gay [CENSORED] once, I got like halfway through... THE GIRLS NEVER CAME!!!"
That is how I feel about 71, the girls never came.

Sure there are spanish jams or MLB jams that are not very well done, particularly in the latter days, but they don't get singled out either... my point was only to say that this jam, to me, hardly deserves to be singled out more often than others, and it routinely is.
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This reminds me of the Zappa discussions I have with many fellow heads....I just don't like Zappa.....PEace
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I definitely miss what 71 offers you all, because it just bores me.


While I totally respect your opinion and realise that this tedious and mundane world would be much more of a terrible bore if we all liked the same things Mr K.
But boring ? Please Shocked

1971 was the defining year. TC had gone, Owsley was in jail and Mickey Hart had gone missing. The band re-thought, re-grouped and started to evolve. They became a disciplined, focused combo who could turn on a sixpence - that's a dime to you lot Very Happy

Oh and they were tight. Tighter than a duck's arse.
Because of the lack of Mickey's 'shed-building' drumming, you could actually hear the subtlety and light touch of Bill Kreutzmann's drumming.
He is such a totally fabbo and vastly under-rated drummer who at times was swamped by Mickey's sledge hammer approach. Listen to some of those 1971 shows and marvel at his snare fills.

The extra room gave Phil space to really shine. This was the year when the chemistry between Jerry and Phil blossomed. Plus the sound of those Gibson guitars.
Pigpen's blues stuff from this year is really brilliant: 'It hurts me too', 'Big boss man' 'Mr Charlie' etc etc

The sets became a little less self indulgent and more 'song' oriented. They pulled it all back under control for a while.

Go directly to these shows and have another listen:


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And then of course, there is the outstanding Hollywood Palladium show of 06/08/1971 (now available in a Miller soundboard).

Of course it was 'Skull and Roses' that introduced me to this band. From there, I discovered 'American Beauty' and 'Workingman's Dead'. That's how, boys and girls, I got on the bus.

That does it ! I can feel a 1971 vine coming on Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1971 was the defining year. TC had gone, Owsley was in jail and Mickey Hart had gone missing.


In my opinion, none of these events made the music better, and TC left in 70.
Sure, these things forced them in a new direction, and the end result was probably for the best as 72-74 show, but that also doesn't make the music in 71 good. Important year, sure.

Anyhow, I have given 71 a shot, there are few shows from it I can stomach... its probably not really going to change.

At the same time, you probably aren't a big 93 fan, right?

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and TC left in 70


Yes absolutely, hence the use of the past tense:
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TC had gone

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At the same time, you probably aren't a big 93 fan, right?

There are a few parts of the Dead's career that I am not so keen on. For instance, you will never find me posting in the 'Keith and Donna era' or the 'Vinny era'. I prefer to keep the negative bits under wraps and remember (for me) the high points.
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Yes! The Rockin' K Cool His drumming is brilliant. In another thread I mentioned his style reminds me alot of the late great Mitch Mitchell.Almost delicate at times-Quick and clean. I think he was responsible for the band's capability to turn on a sixpence Wink and he could also kick the livin' [CENSORED] out of those skins when need be. And tou are absolutely right he is terribly underrated. Actually when you think about it The Grateful Dead were undrrated Exclamation

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Yes, Fillmore, there is something I can agree with too.
Billy K is hugely underrated.
Any doubters listen to him on 10/18/74... How did he do that?
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Yes, Fillmore, there is something I can agree with too.
Billy K is hugely underrated.
Any doubters listen to him on 10/18/74... How did he do that?
FUCKING AY Exclamation Probably the best example of his talent. This show is a Top Fiver for me. TOO will send you out. When I go to sleep I have my ipod on. One night I had this show going. I was dreaming that my son and I were being chased by flying saucers. They were making the trippiest sound I had ever heard. Turns out it was the music from 10/18/74 the spacey sequence before they go into TOO or is it after? No matter-Kinda cool that it was incorporated into my dream fitting perfectly!

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In my opinion, none of these events made the music better


Just one word Mr K .... 'Bertha' Cool
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They played Bertha at my first show, in 1994, it was cool.
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I definitely miss what 71 offers you all, because it just bores me.


While I totally respect your opinion and realise that this tedious and mundane world would be much more of a terrible bore if we all liked the same things Mr K.
But boring ? Please Shocked

1971 was the defining year. TC had gone, Owsley was in jail and Mickey Hart had gone missing. The band re-thought, re-grouped and started to evolve. They became a disciplined, focused combo who could turn on a sixpence - that's a dime to you lot Very Happy

Oh and they were tight. Tighter than a duck's arse.
Because of the lack of Mickey's 'shed-building' drumming, you could actually hear the subtlety and light touch of Bill Kreutzmann's drumming.
He is such a totally fabbo and vastly under-rated drummer who at times was swamped by Mickey's sledge hammer approach. Listen to some of those 1971 shows and marvel at his snare fills.

The extra room gave Phil space to really shine. This was the year when the chemistry between Jerry and Phil blossomed. Plus the sound of those Gibson guitars.
Pigpen's blues stuff from this year is really brilliant: 'It hurts me too', 'Big boss man' 'Mr Charlie' etc etc

The sets became a little less self indulgent and more 'song' oriented. They pulled it all back under control for a while.

Go directly to these shows and have another listen:


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And then of course, there is the outstanding Hollywood Palladium show of 06/08/1971 (now available in a Miller soundboard).

Of course it was 'Skull and Roses' that introduced me to this band. From there, I discovered 'American Beauty' and 'Workingman's Dead'. That's how, boys and girls, I got on the bus.

That does it ! I can feel a 1971 vine coming on Twisted Evil

Well put morticia, especially these two sentences:
The extra room gave Phil space to really shine. This was the year when the chemistry between Jerry and Phil blossomed. Plus the sound of those Gibson guitars.
The sets became a little less self indulgent and more 'song' oriented. They pulled it all back under control for a while.
Couldn't say it better if I tried Smile

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Quoted passage above (song-oriented) explains why 71 is uninteresting to me.

I don't think the "songs" were that great. 90-95% of Dead songs that I like had yet to have been performed in 1971, and those that had been were undeveloped (i.e. lack of a jam in Playin). So what I'm left with is a song-oriented year lacking most of the great songs from the band's repertoire. Thanks but no thanks.

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90-95% of Dead songs that I like had yet to have been performed in 1971


What even the stuff from their two greatest song albums 'Workingmans Dead' and 'American Beauty' ? Confused

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i.e. lack of a jam in Playin


Wasn't there enough jamming for you in 'Hard To Handle', 'Wharf Rat' and ' The Other One' ?
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I'll answer for him... not really, but let's move on... sorry I stirred this up.
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but let's move on... sorry I stirred this up.


No offence intended, I thought it was just a civilised discussion Confused

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Morticia don't be sorry! You bring a whole lot of goodness to this site and your insights a very much appreciated, don't stop.
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No offence intended, I thought it was just a civilised discussion Confused

As you wish Cool

Its not you, but in general some of us (me included) got a bit uncivilized (you have to spell it with a "Z", and that is zee, not zed, to be on this board... just kidding).

Anyhow... I know that would be his answer, because we talk on the phone a lot, went to college together, etc.

I will say this is nothing compared to the 1971 vs 1990 poll I once created elsewhere! Wow, some feelings really got hurt on that one!

Anyhow, rock on Stephanie! Your input is always welcome, as is everyones, even if it is exactly the opposite of other folks.
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you have to spell it with a "Z"


I don't know, we give you a perfectly good language and what do you do ?
Remove those lovely superfluous vowels and then go and mispronounce everything.
Then to add insult to injury, you send Dick Van Dyke along to sabotage one of the greatest films ever made ('Mary Poppins') with a really awful 'mockney' accent, that's what. Tsk tsk Twisted Evil

Seriously though, I didn't think there was the slightest hint of un-civility in this thread at all. Contrast and compare with other 'Grateful Dead focussed' forums (mentioning no names at all boys).

We would run out of things to discuss if we all agreed that this was a fabbo show. The fact that it doesn't get of control and descend into name calling and bust-ups is what attracts me to this pub.
Big hugs to you all.

OK that's enough flattery for one evening ...
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You dangle the steak in front of the lion right now... you do realize that, right?
I made promise not to bash 71 anymore, on my own accord...

And, yes, thank you for the language, and you're welcome for making it the international language, sure makes traveling easier now for the brits! Europe all speaks English... its almost unfair as a tourist in Europe as a native English speaker.

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[quote="morticia"]
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I don't know, we give you a perfectly good language and what do you do ?
Remove those lovely superfluous vowels and then go and mispronounce everything.
Then to add insult to injury, you send Dick Van Dyke along to sabotage one of the greatest films ever made ('Mary Poppins') with a really awful 'mockney' accent, that's what. Tsk tsk Twisted Evil
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Not worse than Kevin Costner's flat American accent during the remake of Robin Hood. Its laughable! At least fake it dude!!

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Not worse than Kevin Costner's flat American accent during the remake of Robin Hood. Its laughable! At least fake it dude!!


Ever see Keanu Reeves in Dracula? I would actually rather that he hadn't tried to fake it.
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Or what about Johnny Depp's really appalling Irish accent in 'Chocolat' Shocked

I have forgiven him though, well he is Johnny Depp and it was him actually playing the guitar on the version of 'Minor Swing' in the film -

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I have always thought there is a great similarity between Django's playing and Jerry's. Just listen to 'Russian Lullaby'.
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How about DeNiro's slimy southern accept in Cape Fear?

"Come out, come out, wherever you are...." Ugh.
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Hey Morticia! Are you looking to seed a vine, or receive one? Either way, maybe I can help. I have 70 of the 82 shows played that year.
I'm with you, '71 was a very good year.
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Well, I just saw Morticia's vine post in the other forum. I will slink off into the corner now and be quiet. Embarassed
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