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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: I'm actually listening to a 95 show...... Reply with quote

From reading Swami's post about Matilda, I decided to check out a version.
4/5/95 Birmingham. Started with the Truckin, and am at the end of UJB. Can vouch for the rest of the show, but this is pretty good!!! TWBS was pretty cool, and they all sound :on" including Jer.

Set 1:
Touch Of Grey >
Wang Dang Doodle
Stagger Lee
Me And My Uncle >
Maggie's Farm
Row Jimmy >
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2:
Here Comes Sunshine
Long Way To Go Home
Truckin' >
That Would Be Something >
Uncle John's Band >
Matilda Matilda >
Drums >
Space >
I Need A Miracle >
Morning Dew

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Johnny B. Goode

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I held back yesterday as I didn't want to bring negativity to the fun but............... Matilda is bad.....but having it in the same week let alone the SAME show is too much to bare.

Matilda, That Would Be Something, and Rolling and Tumbling are horsecrap. It's like they just turned around and gave the finger to the crowd. These are barley even songs! They are little riffs with the same words mumbled 2 or 3 times. I picture the mind set of the boys......Well we've only played 15 minutes and we can't really go to drums yet and we REALLY don't feel like playing something that might take effort....hey I got an idea, we can waste 5 minutes with mindless little riffs with cute words in them....that'll get us to drums and then we can finsh watching Magnum PI during the drummers 35 minute noise segment.

Sorry! End of rant. I hope you can find some enjoyment out of this show. I can't.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy there Lucas!!! Dont blow a gasket.
I'm just saying IN THE CONTEXT OF 1995, this doesnt sound bad. Now compared to 8/3/82 which I'm listening to right now its not so good...Laughing
I kind of agree with you on the "lack of effort to learn a new song" rant, but I actually like the jams in Matilda and TWBS. nice little chord progressions and an extra chance to jam. Sort of like latter day Mind Left Body jams, and frankly, not much different than a Darkstar jam- the meat of DS is one riff over A and G chords. Too bad he didnt sing more of Matilda as there are several verses.
Also in context, this was 94-95 so taxing Jerry's memory to learn new lyrics was not a good idea (Unbroken Chain anyone??) or maybe they didnt feel like putting it on the teleprompter..
As far as Rollin and Tumblin, I saw it my last show. Oy. He sounded like a beached dying whale. Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
Easy there Lucas!!! Dont blow a gasket.
I'm just saying IN THE CONTEXT OF 1995, this doesnt sound bad. Now compared to 8/3/82 which I'm listening to right now its not so good...Laughing
I kind of agree with you on the "lack of effort to learn a new song" rant, but I actually like the jams in Matilda and TWBS. nice little chord progressions and an extra chance to jam. Sort of like latter day Mind Left Body jams, and frankly, not much different than a Darkstar jam- the meat of DS is one riff over A and G chords. Too bad he didnt sing more of Matilda as there are several verses.
Also in context, this was 94-95 so taxing Jerry's memory to learn new lyrics was not a good idea (Unbroken Chain anyone??) or maybe they didnt feel like putting it on the teleprompter..
As far as Rollin and Tumblin, I saw it my last show. Oy. He sounded like a beached dying whale. Sad


I agree that That Would Be Something is a cool song, and I like the limited lyrics for it. Every song need not be a Terrapin Station... look at the lyrics to Dark Star!
Anyhow, musically, I really like That Would Be Something... very chill stuff.

And man, let's give 95 some kind of chance! Any 95 show must be taken in its context except for 3/23/95. And, that context is, I will probably listen to a 95 show less than 10 times in any given year... so...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twisted Evil

I've given 95 three seperate tryouts and that kid will never pitch in this league again. I've actually tried out a bunch of shows and I can't get thru them. It just makes me sad so I leave them alone. No amount of discourse on this subject will change my mind. It ain't gonna happen. So I'll just leave my comments out as I don't want to taint anyone who might enjoy them.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
Twisted Evil

I've given 95 three seperate tryouts and that kid will never pitch in this league again. I've actually tried out a bunch of shows and I can't get thru them. It just makes me sad so I leave them alone. No amount of discourse on this subject will change my mind. It ain't gonna happen. So I'll just leave my comments out as I don't want to taint anyone who might enjoy them.


Your comments are welcome even if they are against the mainstream... that is something that I want to make sure always stays in place here (within reason... Masons Owner).

So, you seriously don't like 3/23/95???
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my favorite 95 shows is the Deer Creek show. Granted it will go down in the books as the beginning of the end. Even though 95 itself is no where near as good as 88 or 79 or any other year loved by so many. But for a 95 show Deer Creek had a great setlist and it actually sounded pretty good. Once again not compared to another year. I remember Dire Wolf and New Speedway Boogie being the highlights of that show. There is also a monitor soundboard of this show on the archive. This makes that show that much more interesting to me. You are able to hear band members talk about the riots and getting out of there. Koch is 3/23/95 the SLC Visions show?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlotte... the SLC show (the best one at least) is 2/21/95
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Charlotte... the SLC show (the best one at least) is 2/21/95


Its funny that a lot of later era shows in the south were good. In the early days of the band the shows in the south suffered from no dancing laws.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can find keeper 95 shows if you dig deep enough. i agree that TWBS is a great tune, and a nice addition to a NSWB or Truckin. i think one of those two memphis shows was okay. i think the second one. still, i almost never listen to shows from 94 or 95.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I even like 7/9/95. Still has that unremarkable sound that was The Grateful Dead. It's not heavy in my rotation but I still give it a listen every now and then.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
Twisted Evil

I've given 95 three seperate tryouts and that kid will never pitch in this league again. I've actually tried out a bunch of shows and I can't get thru them. It just makes me sad so I leave them alone. No amount of discourse on this subject will change my mind. It ain't gonna happen. So I'll just leave my comments out as I don't want to taint anyone who might enjoy them.


I think this was the third "tryout" I had given 95 (and I just listened to a portion of the 2nd set, not the whole show) but there are snippets of goodness sprinkled in the shit. I was thinking about this last night - circa 94 and 95 it must have been really hard for Jerry to go out there every night and put on a good performance - he was not a well man, an addict, and burned out from playing the same songs with the same people for crowds who gave them blind adulation. I'd dial it in too. Kind of sad, but understandable. Its really too bad they didnt put the brakes on the whole machine for about a year and recharge the batteries...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a good 1995 experience - 3/26/95.

For me it's once every few months that I venture into the final chapter, but I find that I usually enjoy the ride. 3-23-95 is the only 1995 show that I know of that is hot from start to finish. But there is some great stuff in bits and pieces as Duderino mentioned. Bobby, Phil, and Vince all played well in 1995, and we as the listener should adjust our expectations and realize that by the end a good performance meant a strong one from the whole band with minimal mistakes by Jerry.

So Duderino is this show recommended or no?'

The Mathilda-bashing deeply saddens me.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
I just had a good 1995 experience - 3/26/95.

For me it's once every few months that I venture into the final chapter, but I find that I usually enjoy the ride. 3-23-95 is the only 1995 show that I know of that is hot from start to finish. But there is some great stuff in bits and pieces as Duderino mentioned. Bobby, Phil, and Vince all played well in 1995, and we as the listener should adjust our expectations and realize that by the end a good performance meant a strong one from the whole band with minimal mistakes by Jerry.

So Duderino is this show recommended or no?'

The Mathilda-bashing deeply saddens me.


I havent listened to all of it - did Truckin>Mathilda yesterday (I will not listen to WTGH - sorry!!) i sampled a little bit of the Dew and Row Jimmy - both sounded decent. I think I will swing back to it later this afternoon. What I did hear sounded pretty good. Jerry's voice isnt nearly as anemic as what I've heard from most of this year.
Interesting what you said about the rest of the band playing well. At the 6/25 RFK show, I thought the same thing. They were giving it their all, carrying Jerry, who had his volume turned down, wasnt even bothering to play standard fills in Mexicali and his voice distant and croaky. When I saw that I was mad, sad and worried about him. I told some folks I was with that I thought he looked like he was going to die, and they got pissed at my blasphemous comment! The girl I was dating at the time said Jerry was "letting the music breath" and giving the others a chance to solo. I told her in so many words that she was an idiot.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heroin is a helluva drug.
I have long held the idea that the rest of the band was just great in later period... 94-5... in fact, better in some respects than others.
The basic absence of Jerry is what basically made the final year or so of the Dead seem like you could either get the Grateful Dead on stage, of The Other Ones on stage.
I enjoyed both.

But, obviously only a madman would prefer TOO to the GD.
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