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05-11-72 Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam, Netherlands (Thu)

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:06 pm    Post subject: 05-11-72 Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam, Netherlands (Thu) Reply with quote

05-11-72 Rotterdam Civic Hall, Rotterdam, The Netherlands (Thu)
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Playing In The Band [10:24] ;
Sugaree [6:46] ;
Mr. Charlie [3:29] ;
Black Throated Wind [5:52] ;
Deal [4:44] ;
Chinatown Shuffle [2:47] ;
Mexicali Blues [3:16] ;
China Cat Sunflower [5:39] >
I Know You Rider [4:50#] ;
It Hurts Me Too [6:01] ;
Beat It On Down The Line (1) [3:03] ;
Brown Eyed Women [4:54] ;
Jack Straw [4:28] ;
Big Railroad Blues [4:04] ;
Good Lovin' [12:05] ;
Casey Jones (2) [5:58]

Morning Dew [11:39] ;
Me And My Uncle [2:50] ;
The Stranger (Two Souls In Communion) [7:12] ;
El Paso [4:30] ;
Tennessee Jed [7:54] ;
Next Time You See Me [4:31] ;
Dark Star [13:35] >
Drums [4:03] >
Dark Star (3) [29:34] >
Sugar Magnolia [7:52] >
Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) [15:28] >
Who Do You Love? [0:26] >
Jam (4) [1:10] >
Truckin' [9:13] ;
Uncle John's Band (5) [6:46]

Encore: One More Saturday Night

Comments: Timing of I Know You Rider estimated as ending cut. (1) 15 Beats (2) After Casey Jones: Weir: We're gonna take a short break for about 20 minutes and we'll be back in about 20 minutes. and it's now intermission. (3) {Dark Star theme [2:48] > Jam [10:47] > Drum Solo [4:03] > Bass and Drums [1:44] > Spacy Jam [3:13] > Dark Star theme/First Verse [2:30] > Jam [3:40] > Dissonant/Tiger Jam [7:15] > Uptempo Country Jam [1:40] > Uptempo Caution -like Jam [6:00] > Slow tease filled Jam (Truckin', Wharf Rat, Bird Song, et al) [3:22] > Sugar Magnolia} (4) {Caution opening [1:26] > Verse with rap [3:02] > Instrumental Jam [4:53] > Pigpen Raps [2:22] > Jam [3:05] > Who Do You Love? [0:26] > transition Jam [1:10] > Truckin'} (5) After Uncle John's Band: Garcia: thank you very much. Good night. Lesh: Good night folks.
final "Caution" - final "Who Do You Love"

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PITB starts us off on the right foot, with a great tone and tempo! The jam maintains the tempo, and Jerry is using a gain heavy wah wah tone that kicks my ass three ways from Wednesday. This is basically as long as one you would find in the power slot in the 80s, and just as intense as you could want. A+ PITB.
Sugaree keeps a good tempo, which is always a plus. Certain songs worry me, but when they are pulled off I love them, Sugaree is near the top of that list.
Mr. Charlie is corny.
BTW, they take some chances in here. Sometimes it works, sometimes it sounds sloppy, but I appreciate the attempt personally, as a big fan of this song, but a little disturbed by its frequent appearances in this period.
Deal, solid early effort.
Chinatown Shuffle
Mexicali
is fun.
China>Rider - China Cat is great, with some Phil bombs strategically placed for emphasis. The transition started off energetic, Bob takes the first steps into Rider, and the rest of the team shifts over slowly, which hurt the momentum. Jerry does a riff that is Riderish/ABB-ish. The vocals are full blown folk harmony.
Hurts Me Too was painful.
BIODTL
BEW
was fun.
Jack Straw has a great tempo from the start! The playing is technically perfect, and Bob doesn't get overzealous in the vox department.
Big RR is ripsnorting fun!
Good Lovin' maintains the nice energy as we work our way through the traditional verses, with some nice Jerry solos in there. The largely slow rap isn't drawn out, but the return to the theme was still welcome.
Casey Jones caps off the set in typical fashion.

Dew opens the second, and the set list variance is again appreciated. I love Dew as a set opener, personally, though it precludes the crashdown to ending a long meat sequence later. Great version on our hands here, with Phil bombs bringing in the first solo around the 5 minute mark! He keeps the enemy's heads low while Jerry strafes the runway. The finale jam is great, though it doesn't crash down, it just stops for Jerry's final "anywaaaay"...
MAMU comes out of the corral bucking and wild.
Stranger has some punctuating work by Keith and Jerry that is nice, but this song just drags on me.
El Paso, Jerry is a little lower key than I would like but the song is otherwise well performed with the ups and downs over the hilly landscape we would expect.
TN Jed, nothing to see here in particular.
Next Time You See Me
Dark Star>Drums>Dark Star>Sugar Magnolia>Caution>Who Do You Love>Jam>Truckin

The fabled Rotterdam Dark Star. It's been YEARS since I attempted to listen to it. So, I'm giving it a fair shot here. Starting off with a nice tempo. The jam turns into a storm as it leaves the main theme around 4:30 in, Phil and Billy pushing the tempo. Keith echoes Jerry, who slowed down the storm, bringing us back to a calm place. After the 6 minute mark we're back closer to the theme but getting quite mellow. In the 8th minute the jam becomes pretty incoherent, but Garcia brings it back together by the 9th, as he builds his way toward what I imagine will be the first verse before the drum solo. Instead the song just falls apart and Billy takes over without the verse. The drums solo goes into a Phil solo, which is short lived, and then a Jerry bit with Phil and Billy barely behind him. The verse follows a lengthy solo around 7 minutes in, and I barely even noticed because I was a bit bored, and then it goes into space. 13 minutes into this second DS track and nothing of interest has really occured, it would best be used as background music for a seance. Then, just as I lost all hope, Jerry starts to pick it up again, and may be headed for a Tiger. We get just that, and just after the 15th minute mark, Tiger still roaring, Phil starts with heavy melancholic bombs. Minutes later we are still in a fully chaotic place with lots of dark energy. Then in the 19th minute we head into somewhat of a Mountain Jam, then Phil messes with Bird Song but no one bites. The momentum slows a bit by the 22nd minute, though you can hear hints of the eventual Caution in there. One could argue the subsequent jam is a Caution themed jam, but as it never officially went into Caution yet that seems to have missed a lot of people's attention. After 27 in Phil clearly tries to go to Truckin, as does Bobby, but the rest of the band isn't taking it. This should not be considered a DS jam session, in my estimation, they did not return for the DS theme/final verse . I refuse to consider this a contiguous Dark Star, and therefore I do not accept its often touted lengthiness. Instead, Bobby realizes that someone has to make a decision, and he goes to his lovely Magnolia, as he was wont to do. He doesn't hold back on the Rock'n'fuckin'Roll here, forceful rendition. Phil stomps at the end, and the boys don't hesitate to bring the train on in for the FINAL Caution they would ever perform. Bobby finally gets his Truckin', to cap off the lengthy meat sequence! Fully energized version!
UJB

OMSN
... for some reason my E72 version was missing this track!
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Performance Summary
The first set is pretty rocking! There are a few stinkers (pigpen) in there, but other than that, a different, fun setlist for the era. The 2nd set, with the "longest Dark Star", is not the longest Dark Star... it's a whacked up dark star, sorry. It certainly sandwiches a long jam, and I give it credit for that. There is about 14 minutes of crap after the drums, before things get interesting, to boot. When they get interesting, they get really interesting, and it ends up awesome.

Sound Quality
Perfection perfected.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice review Rob. Although I think you were a bit hard on Mr. McKernan. I always enjoyed Mr. Charlie and Next Time You See Me. I have given this D.S a few more Listens over the years and I've grown to enjoy it a bit more. However It's certainly not up there wit other versions from 72'. 7/18, 8/27 and 9/27 to name a few. We sure didn't make many friends back in the day when we more or less trashed this one along with 12/6/73. I remember people saying that we just didn't get IT (referring to 12/6/73) Hmmm. I listened to that one a few mos. back and now I might call it interesting. They seem to approach it backwards or something. I'll say this; It's different! Thanks for the PM always good hearing from you. Hope you are well on this day in American History. Still 6/6/14 here on the Left coast.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Nice review Rob. Although I think you were a bit hard on Mr. McKernan. I always enjoyed Mr. Charlie and Next Time You See Me. I have given this D.S a few more Listens over the years and I've grown to enjoy it a bit more. However It's certainly not up there wit other versions from 72'. 7/18, 8/27 and 9/27 to name a few. We sure didn't make many friends back in the day when we more or less trashed this one along with 12/6/73. I remember people saying that we just didn't get IT (referring to 12/6/73) Hmmm. I listened to that one a few mos. back and now I might call it interesting. They seem to approach it backwards or something. I'll say this; It's different! Thanks for the PM always good hearing from you. Hope you are well on this day in American History. Still 6/6/14 here on the Left coast.

Yeah, I will agree that I like this DS more, but I don't consider most of the song Dark Star... really, the pre-drums is clearly DS... then there was 15 minutes of blah with the first verse thrown in... still DS...
Then the Tiger comes, explodes, and the rest is a series of jams. Kind of like 6/28/74 2nd set... there is that massive jam session that is called "jam", that's what the Tiger+ portion should be called.

That being said, the pre-drums of the DS is good, and the Tiger+ is great. The rest of the show was pretty awesome...

I've just never been much of a pig fan, and by this time they were clearly moving away from his sweet spot.
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