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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain Reply with quote

I looked for a pre-existing thread and came up dry, so here we go...

This combo always worked for me. There are too many fantastic versions to list, and I just keep encountering new ones. The one I stumbled across today is from May 4, 1980, Baltimore. Compact, at 16:30; flawed, with Scarlet's 5th verse omitted; but intense, with the band firing on all cylinders. Great stuff. Give it a listen.

Other personal favorites:
5/13/77
2/5/78
12/31/78
9/1/79
12/31/84
6/28/88
3/22/90

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have mentioned it elsewhere, but I think 11-1-79 is one of my favorite Scarlet>Fires around. I am sure that will change as I keep digging.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10/21/83 is my favorito, pretty easily...

I also enjoy (this is my favorite pairing by the way)...
5/8/77
12/30/78
9/1/79
11/1/79
6/12/80
11/30/80
8/12/81
10/19/81
5/23/82
12/27/83
4/13/84
7/03/84 S>Touch>F (the good one)
7/1/85
9/15/85
8/15/87
3/27/88
10/20/89
3/22/90
3/21/91 Victim>S>F>Stir It Up Jam
6/25/91
8/16/91 S>Victim>Fire
9/13/93
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh nice thread...it's been far to long since I have been able to rattle off a mega long list Laughing

5/21/77
4/16/78
5/7/78
9/2/78
12/16/78
12/31/78
2/3/79
5/13/79
6/12/80
11/30/80
8/12/81
10/4/81
4/3/82
7/31/82
11/26/82
4/13/83
9/4/83
10/21/83
3/22/90
6/7/91
6/25/91

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
I looked for a pre-existing thread and came up dry, so here we go...

This combo always worked for me. There are too many fantastic versions to list, and I just keep encountering new ones. The one I stumbled across today is from May 4, 1980, Baltimore. Compact, at 16:30; flawed, with Scarlet's 5th verse omitted; but intense, with the band firing on all cylinders. Great stuff. Give it a listen.

Other personal favorites:
5/13/77
2/5/78
12/31/78
9/1/79
12/31/84
6/28/88
3/22/90


5/4/80 was my 2nd show. Pretty decent effort, a few flubs.
Lets see...
4/27/77
5/8/77
(note-for some reason the Fall 77 S>F's don't really do it for me...)
2/5/78
4/24/78
9/2/78
2/3/79
9/1/79
11/30/79
8/30/80
11/30/80
3/10/81
8/27/81
12/5/81
4/3/82
8/31/82
9/11/82
12/27/82
4/23/83
6/18/83
10/21/83
4/13/84
4/20/84
12/31/84
3/28/85
7/1/85
9/15/85
3/27/88
6/25/91
10/1/94

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three that I listen to a lot are..

12/16/78
2/3/79
9/4/91 (This is easily the best version from that year)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4-25-77
2-5-78
3-10-81
4-3-82
4-26-84
10-6-84
7-1-85
3-22-90

This list switches daily. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11/1/79 Seek no further. About 39 minutes of greatness.

Lots of great selections here guys!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
11/1/79 Seek no further. About 39 minutes of greatness.

Lots of great selections here guys!


I always found that the Fire kind of lagged. Almost too long. I love the 3/01/81 Fire. Right at the end Jerry is pulling out the lost note left and right.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
11/1/79 Seek no further. About 39 minutes of greatness.

Lots of great selections here guys!


I always found that the Fire kind of lagged.
I file that one in the pretty S>F category... perhaps even the prettiest... but for me I need the walls to come down when the Volcano erupts! Hence... 10/21/83
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

08-05-79
10-08-81
08-08-82
11-26-82
09-04-83
10-30-84
12-31-84
11-11-85
08-15-87
03-27-88
03-21-91
12-19-93

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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8/30/80


Surely you mean 30/08/80 Question
Very Happy

I'm with the Dude on this one. It is the fabbiest, grooviest Scarlet / Fire ever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morticia wrote:
Quote:
Duderino wrote:
8/30/80


Surely you mean 30/08/80 Question
Very Happy

I'm with the Dude on this one. It is the fabbiest, grooviest Scarlet / Fire ever.


Dammit Morticia, we have told you imperialist British that we will maintain our stubborn, nonsensical ways as long as we can! There will be no metric... nor reasonable date system... etc. It just makes things too easy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Scarlet>Fire measured 16 stone on the intensity scale and was 500 rods long..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last Scarlet Fire I listened to, and it was really good, was 7/21/90. Apparently the venue (World Music Theater in Tinley Park) was pretty piss poor judging from the reviews, but the sbd sounds great.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/1/79
3/10/81
8/6/82
4/23/83
10/14/83
10/21/83
6/18/83 - ohh yea!
4/26/84
12/31/84
7/1/85
12/28/86 (just listened, nice fire!!)
3/27/88
7/7/89
3/22/90
10/1/94
3/23/95
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first one's pretty good 3/18/77
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im too drunk to check every post, I know 11-30=80 has been mooted, rightfully, but for god's sake--12-13-80. I love it. Also, 11-01-79? Is that the hidden track on Dick Pick 13? Whichever it was, the Scarlet is weird and slow, but the jam>Fire is the best ever.
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gopher's right about 7-31-82
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/20/82 for a sweet, sweet transition.
9/18/09 Furthur Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this thread. In fact, it motivates me to focus on listening to a lot of Scarlet Fires over the next month or so to select my favorites from my favorite combo.

Just listened to 3/10/81 today and it might end up in my top 5 list, and I have listened to it 3 times already today. Jerry does some interesting things out of Scarlet - rather sweet and with a calypso like theme. The second instrumental in Fire is long and interesting, so long that Jerry forgets for a second that he has another verse to go and almost ends it. Fortunately, he did not end it, as the last instrumental is great, with a nice climax and then it gets quiet and goes right into Lost Sailor. Just terrific overall.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, make sure you hit up 10/21/83 & 7/1/85 S>Fs... my top 2
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I never know how some of you guys can post up 15+ S>F favorites, or of any song. You recall them all from memory ....? Cos' I damn well smoked out those brain cells years ago Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I revisited that 3-10-81 after your post and that sure is one of the best. I think it's actually Brent that gets suckered into trying to end it, after Jerry does a descending riff like he often does at the end...and then the thing doesn't happen at the end. (How many versions does that happen, I wonder?) But that is a stone classic.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

love that fire from 3/10/81 - some nice, nice playing from jerry
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some fun facts:

Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain was played live 238 times. (Every single one of them can be loaded, just barely, onto an 8GB iPod. Very Happy )

After Fire on the Mountain was introduced on 3/18/77, Scarlet Begonias was played only 28 times without segueing into Fire on the Mountain.

Fire on the Mountain was played only 14 times without a Scarlet intro.

That most delightful of all combos, Sugar Magnolia > Scarlet Begonias > Fire on the Mountain was played only seven times.
12/31/77
12/31/78
12/31/80
12/31/84
3/22/87
3/27/88
4/27/91

I feel a chart coming on... The Mother of all Stupid Charts. Muhuhahaha. Cheers

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Now that is some good intel there Zeph! Can't wait for the chart. Nice to know I got to see one of the 6 Sgr Mags>Scarlet>Fire. I thought they played that tri-fecta more than that. Also, I figured that Fire had slept with others a bunch more.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
Nice to know I got to see one of the 6 Sgr Mags>Scarlet>Fire. I thought they played that tri-fecta more than that.


They did. I miscounted. Seven is the correct total. See the list above.

I was at one of them, too: 4/27/91. I may as well have been at 12/31/84. The sound coming out of the radio was strangely 3-D. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/31/83 - Maybe my favorite transition.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's chart-time, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to do some meaningless research into Scarlet Fire, beginning with 3/18/77 through 5/27/77. After those get charted I'll add in the 75 (seventy-five!) versions highlighted above.

Funny fact: of the 224 versions they played between 6/7/77 and 7/2/95, we named fully 33% of them. Give us a few more years of listening and more than 15 guys, and we'll have a "best-of" listing with 90% of all candidates getting nominated. Laughing

Here are the 75 shows that got mentioned (not including shows from 3/18/77 through 5/27/77):
12/31/77
2/5/78
4/16/78
4/24/78
5/7/78
9/2/78
12/16/78
12/30/78
12/31/78
2/3/79
5/13/79
8/5/79
9/1/79
11/1/79
11/30/79
5/4/80
6/12/80
8/30/80
11/30/80
12/13/80
12/31/80
3/10/81
8/12/81
8/27/81
10/4/81
10/8/81
10/19/81
12/5/81
4/3/82
5/23/82
7/31/82
8/6/82
8/8/82
8/31/82
9/11/82
9/20/82
11/26/82
12/27/82
4/13/83
4/23/83
6/18/83
7/31/83
9/4/83
10/14/83
10/21/83
12/27/83
4/13/84
4/20/84
4/26/84
10/6/84
10/30/84
12/31/84
3/28/85
7/1/85
9/15/85
11/11/85
12/28/86
3/22/87
8/15/87
3/27/88
6/28/88
7/7/89
10/20/89
3/22/90
7/21/90
3/21/91
3/27/91
4/27/91
6/7/91
6/25/91
9/4/91
9/13/93
12/19/93
10/1/94
3/23/95

And here's an early version of the chart:

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And here are some preliminary notes:
3/18/77 The 1st Fire, but it's a 3-verse mess. Nice intensity toward the end of the Scarlet jam.
4/22/77 After a few more weeks of rehearsals and tinkering, Fire re-emerges with a tighter arrangement (2 verses instead of 3) and Scarlet has been burnished to a high sheen.
4/27/77 Tight, sharp; Garcia is clearly keeping things close to the chest as an exercise in polishing the product. Greater exploration will come later. No Scarlet end to Fire.
4/30/77 No Scarlet end to Fire.
5/4/77 Bob toys with the China Cat riff in the Scarlet Jam
5/5/77 Jerry gets in his first "You know there's a fire on the mountain…" Ultra-mellow intro that waits a loooong time for Jerry to play some lead. No Scarlet end to Fire.
5/8/77 Extra long (120" instead of 90") Scarlet jam; the definitive seamless jam into Fire; wicked fanning from Garcia in the outro jam.
5/13/77 Garcia crushes the Scarlet jam; Garcia has equipment malfunction?: Begonias jam ends prematurely. Lengthy lead intro to Fire from Garcia.
5/17/77 Longest of the tour; extra-long Scarlet jam; weird full minute of no Garcia before verse 2 of Fire.
5/21/77 Garcia crushes the Scarlet jam again. This is probably the overall best version of the May tour.
12/31/77 5th verse dropped.
2/5/78 5th verse dropped; extra-long Scarlet jam (2:15).

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1/8/79
5/8/79 -epic
5/11/80 - concise, tight.
10/27/80 - Truckin>Scar>Fire
2/27/81
3/5/81 Stanley Pittsburgh.
5/5/81 Glens Falls.
5/11/81
9/25/81
12/9/81
6/21/84
10/15/84
6/16/85
5/3/86

3/16/88

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It's chart-time

Huzzah!!! This is nice, I like the breakdown of each jam too...
Don't expect such in depth notes with my H>S>F project folks... Laughing
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Duderino wrote:
1/8/79
5/8/79 -epic
5/11/80 - concise, tight.
10/27/80 - Truckin>Scar>Fire
2/27/81
3/5/81 Stanley Pittsburgh.
5/5/81 Glens Falls.
5/11/81
9/25/81
12/9/81
6/21/84
10/15/84
6/16/85
5/3/86

3/16/88


Just when I thought the list was complete... Rolling Eyes I think these additions will kick us up to 40% of all versions played. Laughing

Here's the poster slogan: Scarlet-Fire: All awesomeness, all the time.

But back to business: I am not crazy about the chart. Any suggestions on how to make the information pop a little better would be welcome.

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Zephyr wrote:

But back to business: I am not crazy about the chart. Any suggestions on how to make the information pop a little better would be welcome.

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I hate to proliferate them to the point of meaninglessness, but 5-15-81 surely deserves some consideration.
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adding 8/30/80 and 4/23/83 to my personal favorite lists.....this combo NEVER gets old for me Cool
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adding 8/30/80 and 4/23/83 to my personal favorite lists.....this combo NEVER gets old for me Cool

Glad you are digging the 4/23/83. Did you give the Space>Other One a spin yet?

Strangely, the Scarlet>Fire's from Fall 77 seem to be just bleh....8-9 minute versions of each song, not many outstanding, jammed out versions. The S>F from 11/6/77 is the low point of that show. Which is weird, because there were many tasty ones in Spring 77 and in early 78.

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Duderino wrote:
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adding 8/30/80 and 4/23/83 to my personal favorite lists.....this combo NEVER gets old for me Cool

Glad you are digging the 4/23/83. Did you give the Space>Other One a spin yet?


Yep it rips and goes and rips and goes for some more - great stuff.
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Duderino wrote:
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adding 8/30/80 and 4/23/83 to my personal favorite lists.....this combo NEVER gets old for me Cool

Glad you are digging the 4/23/83. Did you give the Space>Other One a spin yet?


Yep it rips and goes and rips and goes for some more - great stuff.


Agreed. Thanks for recommending this one. I'm looking forward to getting to the gigantic Other One later today.

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howsabout that 6 18 83 Saratoga ScarFire?
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4-20-84 is surely deserving of mention, also best Stranger and Let it Grow maybe ever (although the really long early-Brent-era LIG from a date I can't summon to mind is hard to top).

Nobody likes 12-13-80? I think it's better than 11-30-80. 2-27-81 is pretty good too, that may have been mentioned already.

I think the Saratoga 83 is great but I don't think I like it as much as many seem to.

5-15-81 has dropped a bit in my estimation.
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cheesebeer wrote:
howsabout that 6 18 83 Saratoga ScarFire?


One of my favorites from 83, too bad there's no soundboard. Can't go wrong with the number 83 and words Scarlet Fire
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Listening to 7-1-85 right now. I love it when songs can instantly set my mood and this one did it for me tonight.
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Listening to 7-1-85 right now. I love it when songs can instantly set my mood and this one did it for me tonight.

Definitely an awesome S>F... my 2nd favorite version.
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over a month with no Scarlet>Fire discussion! I think 2-5-78 (DP 18) is perhaps the best ever. 4-24-78 is marred by Bobby's horrible noises during Fire.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just gave a good listen to 11/1/79 (at 36+ minutes, one of the longest versions ever played) and came away with a mixed reaction.

I was listening to the SBD version released as filler on DP13.

Scarlet: Nothing truly outstanding here; a fairly standard reading.

Fire: Damn nice, but not epic. There is a palpable lack of fire in this Fire, even though they engineer some nice passages.

The Bloat between Scarlet and Fire: WTF? Brent and Bob are just fucking irritating, Phil is almost completely absent, and Jerry is deep into OCD noodling.

If you carved out about 8 minutes of aimless, bassless, between-song bloat, like carving bruises off an apple, this would still be a fine rendition of the combo, but as it is it's a trenchant example of why length doesn't necessarily equate to excellence.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just gave a good listen to 11/1/79 (at 36+ minutes, one of the longest versions ever played) and came away with a mixed reaction.

I was listening to the SBD version released as filler on DP13.

Scarlet: Nothing truly outstanding here; a fairly standard reading.

Fire: Damn nice, but not epic. There is a palpable lack of fire in this Fire, even though they engineer some nice passages.

The Bloat between Scarlet and Fire: WTF? Brent and Bob are just fucking irritating, Phil is almost completely absent, and Jerry is deep into OCD noodling.

If you carved out about 8 minutes of aimless, bassless, between-song bloat, like carving bruises off an apple, this would still be a fine rendition of the combo, but as it is it's a trenchant example of why length doesn't necessarily equate to excellence.

Thank you. I have always felt this way as well. It's long, but dry and dull....

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that it is not the best ever, but it is certainly enjoyable and pretty damn cool... to each his own I guess Cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't listened in a while, but I remember being very into this. I wouldn't call the Scarlet standard exactly, if only because it's a much slower than average version. I thought things really got going on the jam and the Fire. But now I'll have to break it back out to see if I want to argue about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken a liking to the following versions as of late:

05-02-81 Arlen Spectrum
06-27-83 Poplar Creek (to be heard soon at an LP near you)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my two absolute favorites are probably 2-27-81 and 6-18-83
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
Over a month with no Scarlet>Fire discussion! I think 2-5-78 (DP 18) is perhaps the best ever. 4-24-78 is marred by Bobby's horrible noises during Fire.


This probably is my favorite, as well. I also want to make a pitch for this show being in people's list for the top 64 competition. Bobby was having some problems during the beginning to Sampson and Delilah so Jerry goes on with a long solo that is driving and interesting.

I also am in the ranks of those who do not like 11/1/79. I give Brent credit for really trying to add energy in a lot of different ways but it just does not work for me at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylan&theded,

If you like 2-27-81, have you checked out 12-13-80? It's contemporaneous, I find it similar in feel in some ways, and I think it's even a little better although I love them both and 'better' and 'worse' may not be the most enlightening terms here.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
Three that I listen to a lot are..

12/16/78
2/3/79
9/4/91 (This is easily the best version from that year)


Just listened to 2/3/79, which a couple of other people also mentioned. For those of you who like really hot versions, this is one of the best ever, particularly the Scarlet and the transition. I do not remember ever hearing a version where Jerry does so much with the triplet, machine gun type thing he often does here. Highly recommended if you have not heard it. Wow!
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A long time with no Scarlet>Fire talk! I think 5-8-77 is the classic version, kind of like the studio version or something. Garcia has lots of good ideas and they all work, and he plays them all pretty straight. The licks he plays on this version are canonical, they are indelibly etched on my mind and probably all of ours. That's not to say it's the best version, though.

DP6 from Hartford 10-14-83 is mind bending. I still have to check out 2-3-79.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
A long time with no Scarlet>Fire talk! I think 5-8-77 is the classic version, kind of like the studio version or something. Garcia has lots of good ideas and they all work, and he plays them all pretty straight. The licks he plays on this version are canonical, they are indelibly etched on my mind and probably all of ours. That's not to say it's the best version, though.

DP6 from Hartford 10-14-83 is mind bending. I still have to check out 2-3-79.

Here is a gripe about the 5/8/77 that Swami pointed out to me, that I rather agree with...
Keith... he just keeps hitting the same damn keys over and over in what is otherwise an amazing seque! It is repetitious as hell and boring... though the rest of the band is all over it.

Tell me what you think about 11/1/79, which I believe is the longest version out there?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give 9/8/83 Red Rocks a listen. Life affirming version of this combo.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we went through this up the thread a bit, some people were dissing 11-1-79, it's always sounded pretty good to me. I think I did relisten after the above conversation, but that's a long time ago again now. And I think it bored me then, but since it excited me other times and the past, I have to think I just wasn't in the right mood...but I guess you could say the jury's out. I'll give it a spin again soon, for sure.

The Scarlet>Touch>Fire on that 7-13-84 show is pretty great, although the transitions are as usual a bit sloppy...'as usual' when they try something unwonted that is...

I have recently gotten really into one I'd overlooked a bit, the short but incandescent rendition from 8-30-80 at the Spectrum....I still think 12-13-80 is probably the best of the year.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/13/84... I LOVE the Scarlet>Touch... but I have always felt that somewhere in there they lost the mojo and the Fire SUCKS...
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It's hard for me to concur with you on that, it's a pretty good Fire I think...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/1/79 is the Swamp Monster of Scarlet/Fires.

And I would echo Duderino that 9/8/83 is epic. I'm adding it to my short list now (i.e. tattooed behind my left elbow).

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
9/1/79 is the Swamp Monster of Scarlet/Fires.

And I would echo Duderino that 9/8/83 is epic. I'm adding it to my short list now (i.e. tattooed behind my left elbow).


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I listened to 11-1-79 again and I just can't decide now...it's definitely got strong moments but maybe I'm getting influenced by the haters....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, time for Scarlet>Fire talk. Right now I have to say the three best ever are:

2-5-78
4-8-78
9-2-78

Jacksonville may seem like the weak sister here but it's actually my favorite. it is just beautiful and perfect (perhaps not Koch's favorite then).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just listened to 4/20/84 Philly S>F. 28 minutes long and not a note wasted. Some really, really intense playing with all cylinders firing. The AUD source of this show is awesome. Highly recommended. Actually the whole damn show is smokin.

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Yes, that show is great some of the best Stranger and Let it Grow too.
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Yes, it's final and irrefutable: 4-8-78 is the best S>F.

4-13-83 has been circulating anew, that's a great one.
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bzfgt wrote:
Yes, it's final and irrefutable: 4-8-78 is the best S>F.

4-13-83 has been circulating anew, that's a great one.

No "Donna flow moaning" version of S>F can possibly qualify...
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Yes, it's final and irrefutable: 4-8-78 is the best S>F.


Whoa! Nice to see that show get some love...great all around playing with excellent Betty board, but for some reason this show seems under the radar.

The 1/2 Step opener is KILLER!!!

I still gotta go with 5/17/77, 4/16/78, 5/7/78, 9/2/79, 12/31/78 and my favorite 11/18/78.

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Not much happens in Eyes of the World though. Otherwise the show would rank very high.
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Just wrapping up 1/17/79

A- on the report card, it'll make yer mama proud!

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bzfgt wrote:
Yes, it's final and irrefutable: 4-8-78 is the best S>F.

4-13-83 has been circulating anew, that's a great one.

No "Donna flow moaning" version of S>F can possibly qualify...

Donna flow moaning....now that just sounds gross! Shocked

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Can't go wrong with the number 83 and words Scarlet Fire


Apparently I've felt this way for awhile Laughing but I'm thinking of actually putting some substance behind this and doing all the 1983 Scarlet Fires. I'd like to add some sort of scoring mechanism. The writing part I won't have a problem with but if anyone has any input what I could do using numbers (using a rating scale, what exactly to rate etc) it'd be appreciated immensely. Great year for both the comb and the band...some monster versions in 83. Gonna give 3/26/83 a spin Smile
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Some potential scoring mechanisms...

Length of each "structured" jam (between verses)
Length of transition
Tempo (I don't know how to make this metered other than actual meter! hahaha)
Inclusiveness (meaning, all members excelling, 1 point per member or something)

Just some ideas.
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I had some similar ideas - I'm thinking something like maybe scoring each "structured jam" and then the lyrics / vocals for each songs and then adding up the numbers for a total score or something like that
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chingsinkly wrote:
Can't go wrong with the number 83 and words Scarlet Fire


Apparently I've felt this way for awhile Laughing but I'm thinking of actually putting some substance behind this and doing all the 1983 Scarlet Fires. I'd like to add some sort of scoring mechanism. The writing part I won't have a problem with but if anyone has any input what I could do using numbers (using a rating scale, what exactly to rate etc) it'd be appreciated immensely. Great year for both the comb and the band...some monster versions in 83. Gonna give 3/26/83 a spin Smile


My fav S/F from 1983 are 4-13-83, 6-27-83, and 9-4-83

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chingsinkly wrote:
I had some similar ideas - I'm thinking something like maybe scoring each "structured jam" and then the lyrics / vocals for each songs and then adding up the numbers for a total score or something like that

Yeah, I hear you.
Not sure how much points I'd give to the lyrics compared to the jam.
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