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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: "Golden Era" 72-74 Reply with quote

So, when was the silver era?
Anyhow... does anyone else have another era they consider the golden era?

What were the strong points to the golden era?
The lows?

Discuss...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would make the case that '68-'70 is a strong contender for "Golden Era" status. However, the setlists back then weren't nearly as varied and we are missing a ton of shows. Their playing still has that raw, primal sound but it has been perfected and focused. I still have to go with your '72-'74 assessment though.

As for the silver era, I would say that 1977 qualifies. The playing was extremely focused but almost boring in its lack of variety. Aside from 11/4 at Colgate, very little strikes me as adventurous. Many of the '77 shows seem to me contrived and formulaic.

The strong point of the '72 through '74 era is probably either late summer/fall '72 or fall '73. You can take just about any show from those two time periods and be almost guaranteed to get a great one (in fact, I often do this).

As far as lows are concerned, many of the shows from '74 aren't so stellar to these ears. There are quite a few exceptions (DP12 and Freedom Hall to name a couple) but, on the whole, they seemed to have a better thing going in fall '73. This is due in part to the indescribable (at least to me) effect that the Wall of Sound has on the boards of the era. I'm sure it was great for those who were there, but not so great for posterity.

Well, there's my $0.02.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Siete piuttosto stupido! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 74 has more varied jams, more interesting jams, more interesting song segues, than 72 or 73. Both 72 and 73 is have clear cut setlists: ~24 normal songs and then 3 to 4 jam sequences including but not limited to Dark Star, Eyes, TOO, Truckin, He's Gone, Let It Grow, Playin'. You get half of those on one night, the other half on next night. That's about it. It's not bad per se...but they are fairly predictable.

74 on the other hand tries to make different transitions. And they often succeed. We now have a spanish Jam, US. blues, Eyes > US Blues, US Blues > Eyes, TOO > It's A Sin, etc. Truckin > something > TOO > something > TOO > something > He's Gone.

The big problem I have with 74 is there isn't much to choose from. Almost 2x the concerts in 73 (a great year) means about 2x more awesome concerts. The only reason why I think 74 suffers in our eyes is there isn't much there. But what there simply steals your face immediately. I mean just listen to 9/11/1974. [CENSORED] me.

my humble opinion!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess this is the best place to say which year of the "Golden Era" you prefer the most and why... so I will take a hack at it.
I will start with, I like all 3 years.
1973 is the winner for me, as it is the blend of 72's power and 74's spaciness.
The addition of Eyes and HCS, and a bit more jamming on PITB (but not the overly long versions sometimes found in 74) are key things in my book. TLEO is a great song in 1973, another new one.
Eyes is my favorite song, and the way they would use it as a jam vehicle both within the song and out of the song into whatever else is out there is key.

In 72, you have pretty much a standard 1st set, it will most likely end with PITB in the last 3 songs, plus all the other suspects. You will get a tasty jam segment, but it will be with either TOO or DS... This is certain.

74 gets overly spacey for me sometimes... a perfect example of this is the crown of the spaciness of 74... Seastones. I just don't like it. The cocaine tempo of 74 is enjoyable, like 10/18/74 for example... wow. I love that show...

But, I would rather get the 2nd sets available in 1973 that just about any other period.

All three years have a fault though, which is, embedded between jam segments, you get a Mexicali or a Big River... jeez...
So, there are my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seastones is so awful that I uncheck it in my iTunes so I never listen to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Hey Now! Reply with quote

I am partial on the early stuff circ. 68-76 Jerry just started that "Jerry flavor" of guitar and somehow by '73 he is really shining! It is my personal belief that there is a sort of innocence to that decade ('70's)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: gold vs silver Reply with quote

Personally my pick for the golden era would be '67/68.....but I could be persuaded to stretch this to '70....
People talk about what the Dead gained through the years of playing - my ears also tell me what they lost - youth, energy, shows that were 90% jamming, early psychedelic dragon-songs that were dropped after '69/70, Jerry's raw sound, the frenetic adventurous bonding feel....

For the sake of discussion, though, I'll concede '72-74 as golden years.

For silver years - July '76 to Feb '78 - aka "Keith's steady decline from major player to chord-pounder" - but that's another story....

Among '72-74, my favorite year is '72, particularly the Europe shows - I think that's a more consistent & energetic couple months than any thereafter - also, the presence of Pigpen helps immensely.
His loss in late '72 leads to a big hole in the setlists - as some of you have mentioned, without more new songs, each show is pretty much the same songs. But the jams are SO powerful in late '72, all is forgiven.
'73/74 we get the new songs, lots more jamming opportunities, lots more spaciness. Between these two years, I think I'd go with '73 - we still have Sunshine and Bird Song, and lots more Dark Stars - plus I just like the way the jams develop in '73 more than '74. But it is interesting how in late '73, they start working in more out-of-nowhere jams....
For that matter, it's interesting to hear them organically develop from year to year - offering a new variety with each season - in fact, if you listen from show to show, sometimes you can hear their playing change within a single tour. Which is part of why we're still clucking about the "golden era" 35 years later....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Now! Reply with quote

Jethro wrote:
I am partial on the early stuff circ. 68-76 Jerry just started that "Jerry flavor" of guitar and somehow by '73 he is really shining! It is my personal belief that there is a sort of innocence to that decade ('70's)


You should see my thread about Sleazy Vs Wholesome GD... I completely agree with you about the 70s being more innocent (in a relative, heavy drug use way Laughing )
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golden Era-Fall 71->Fall 73-This is the time where everything the Dead learned as a band came to complete fruition. Rock, Jazz, Country, Rocking Pig (til mid 72) dynamics, touch, tightness, and vocals.

Silver Era 1975-Spring 78-Back with power, energy and touch. Rock and Roll at it's best. These guys were on top of it. By the time Persian(Jerry) and booze/coke (Phil) took REAL hold things started to go south. The difference and (decline) in Jerry's playing from Feb 78 to the From Egypt with love shows is startling. He did regain most of his dynamic touch thanks to Brent by August 79 along with his switch to Tiger.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i submit that 75-79 should be referred to as the bronze age
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

starting 7/2/89 and going until brents death in july 90 would be in my eyes the silver era..
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's hard to compare eras....so much great stuff to listen to, I just keep mixing it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GracefulDuck wrote:
I think it's hard to compare eras....so much great stuff to listen to, I just keep mixing it up.
+1, agreed.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, about the only way I compare these days is whether I like it more than another or not, and that shifts from time to time anyhow... totally subjective.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, when is the Bronze Age?
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