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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: What's the big dealnwith 5/8/77 Reply with quote

So I read somewhere once that the reason this is considered the " best" grateful dead how ever is because it was one of the first soundboard shows that got circulated among all the tape traders. I don't know if that is true or not, but let's assume for a second that this is the case. It isn't anymore!!!! We can pretty much get any show we want now on the Internet and pretty much any source.

Now don't get me wrong the 5/8/77 show is an amazing show but there are so many other shows from 77 that are better, in my opinion of course. I was just curious to see If there are other heads out there feel the same way that I do? So please if you respond, give me reasons why you think that is the best show, and if you don't think think this is the best show then give me the show that you like better and why.

Two examples that come to my mind as being better are 2/26/77----i think for the obvious reason that it is the debut of terrapin and estimated. Plus I mean the wheel is killer, the help/slipknot/franklins is awesome, the music never stopped is killer, and the eyes of the world is incredible.
The second show that i think is better is the 5/25/77 mosque show. The scarlet/fire is rediculous, the Mississippi halfnstep is smoking, the Jack straw is nice and mellow, but still rocking, and the wharf rat in incredible.

That of course is my opinion, but. I can honestly say I would must rather have been at those two shows then at then5/8/77 show knowing what I know now.

So I was just curious as to what others thought,,,,,
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It comes down to personal preference of course... I think 5/8/77 is one of the best shows ever.
I think it blows away most shows from post-retirement Keith era including the entire years of 76 & 78...
But, I am just one guy!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5/8/77 is damn near perfect. Are there better shows? Of course. But this one ranks way up there. Even Keith and Donna showed up for this one. The Morning Dew alone has caused people to have accidents while listening to it. And as Koch pointed out, it's personal preference. Most of the shows I listen to are from early to mid 70s, but 5/8/77 is one of many exceptions.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The flaw with Cornell, along with many other 1977 shows for that matter, is the lack of spacey jamming. The NFA has a very nice zone-out Jerry segment but it still doesn't replace a Drums & Space for me or an early-70s style free-form jam. A Grateful Dead show is about more than just a bunch of songs strung together and performed well. Also Keith pretty much ruins the Scarlet-Fire for me.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: I agree that its awesome....but...... Reply with quote

I totally understand what you are saying about the 5/8/77 show being awesome because there is no doubt that it is an incredible show, but my only real question was do you guys really think it Is the best show ever?. I do think that the show in amazing. In fact I'm listening to it right now as I write this. I was just simply saying that I think there are better shows out there. Don't get me wrong I think the boys were firing on all cylinders that night. I just think that there were other shows in 1977 that were as good or better with awesome jamming, and great songs. You all have to remember that these posts are subjective. What one person hates, another may find incredible.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO. It is far from the best ever.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: I so agree Reply with quote

I so have to agree with the reviewer above me. This show is AWESOME, and intense, and ONE of the best, but NOT the best. There are definitely other shows out there are better. There are even some shows from 77 that are better. As I said before, the boys were firing on all cylinders this night, but then again, they were firing on all cylinders plenty of nights. This show is great, but I just can't in good conscious say that it is the best show ever. Even if I was introducing someone to the dead, and they asked for a show this would not be the show I would give them. I mean come on....The China/Riders from 73-74, and the Eyes from that era....now those were incredible
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would probably serve you well to take an extended trip around this site and get more familiar with it. There are threads that pertain to what you are discussing here. Try The top 64 thread or March Deadness. there are numerous lenghty discussions about different shows, eras, best of's you name it. Dig deeper around here and you will find a wealth of information.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"the best", especialy when it comes to something as varied as the GD, is all a matter of taste. This got the "best show ever" label from self appointed music critics. I swore I read something about it being "best show ever" in Entertainment Weekly or some rag. I highly doubt if there was a poll taken. I would say this is a very strong show from 77. It's not my favorite show from that year, but I can't really find much fault with it; maybe what Swami mentioned - there is really no "out there" jam, and Garcia's solo on NFA does get a little overindulgent.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of people identify it as their first show they listen to . It was the first live recording i got, and it made me realize how different the band was on stage. Before that i was only listening to skeletons in the closet. All together its probably my favorite show from 77 ( IMO with the exception of a few shows from the year, I think most 77 shows all sound pretty much the same. Its a year of amazing music, but not much diversity in their playing), and defiantly in my top 10 of all time. I think the 9:00 - 10:00 minuet mark of scarlet is incredible. And whenever I'm trying to introduce someone to the band, i always give them the same mix cd.

Scarlet>Fire
Jack Straw
They Love Each Other
Minglwood Blues
Deal
Mama Tried
St.Stephen (leave out the NFA, I agree with the Dude, i think the jam goes nowhere)
Morning Dew

That will turn anybody into a head.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Best Show Ever? Reply with quote

Impossible to say. Too many variables.
I can't even pick the best year.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:29 pm    Post subject: I do have to admit..... Reply with quote

I do have to admit that the second set of 5/8/77 is like WOW.....almost perfection. The fire on the mt is incredible, the st. Stephen, not fade away, st. Stephen, morning dew is incredible. I think it is damn near perfection. On the other hand and I shouldn't say this, but it is my opinion so screw it, i don't think the first set is anything special. I think it's a good first set, but nothing special. I listened to 5/9/77 last night and if you haven't heard or listened to it then check it out....awesome show.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many of us would say any show is the "best ever."
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
I wonder how many of us would say any show is the "best ever."

I sometimes consider 11/11/73 the greatest show ever, but in fits... it's really tough to make that call, given that there are over 2000 shows, and we all go through phases.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
I wonder how many of us would say any show is the "best ever."

Not me. LOL
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
I wonder how many of us would say any show is the "best ever."


I do think 5/8/77 is the best show ever.

There are many shows from May 1977 that are so very fine and perhaps just as good. But in my opinion, none are better than Barton Hall...
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh-oh, where's Colonial?
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
Uh-oh, where's Colonial?


yeah yesterday I was thinking 'bout that!!?? Its some time that we don't get some new topics from him!

.... COLONIAL BROTHER ... WHERE ARE YOU!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like barton hall part 2 as well. happy barton hall part 2 day.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylan&theded wrote:
i like barton hall part 2 as well. happy barton hall part 2 day.


now ... this post will surely fire up Colonial for additional threads about the 77 barto hall undiscussed issues ... Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh no what have i done
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all good my fellow brothers. I'm still around. My family and I moved into a new place and it's been a while since I've had just a second to even listen to the boys. BUT.....I'm back, and I now have time to be on the forum again, and I'm chillin out right now listening to 5/9/77....my opinion is it's much better than 5/8/77, but that's another discussion for another day. OR....someone can dispute me and we can keep this thread going.....
Peace And b Wild my fellow heads.....
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do the two shows compare on a song versus song basis, going down the setlists in order?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has got to be the best sounding live tape in existence!!! I hear Phil's swooping bass bomb's from this show in my dreams every night.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boise99 wrote:
This has got to be the best sounding live tape in existence!!! I hear Phil's swooping bass bomb's from this show in my dreams every night.

Check out the new SBD of 8/13/79... Phil is on fire, the entire team is, and the SQ is perfection.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at those '79 McNichols shows. The 8-13 upgrade is fantastic.
5-8-77? Great Betty Board?... Yes. Best show/tape ever? ... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a great show, and for most new tape collectors, it was easy to get in very good quality (thanks Betty). This fueled wide circulation and broad smiles on a lot of faces. But, the more you know (or hear), the more you discover that other shows in this period hold up well or exceed this one, depending on what you like. Some think 6/9 is the best of '77, of maybe 10/11 (Dick Latvala), 12/27, 9/3, or 4/23 (me!). The ice cream may be made of the same ingredients, but the flavors are all different. Some like strawberry, some vanilla. And, damn it, some like 5/8. Why not?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this show has officially arrived as a big deal. It is being added to the National Recording Registry of the Library of Congress. That makes it a pretty big deal, especially considering it has never been officially released.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Check out the new SBD of 8/13/79... Phil is on fire, the entire team is, and the SQ is perfection.


What other Charlie Miller "upgrades" have emerged in recent months?

I have the 1979-12-05 Uptown Theatre, Chicago, IL, dated February 27, 2011

and 1979-11-01Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, dated May 5, 2011

Are there any others that have been "released" this year?
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soeharto1 wrote:
Kochman wrote:
Check out the new SBD of 8/13/79... Phil is on fire, the entire team is, and the SQ is perfection.


What other Charlie Miller "upgrades" have emerged in recent months?

I have the 1979-12-05 Uptown Theatre, Chicago, IL, dated February 27, 2011

and 1979-11-01Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY, dated May 5, 2011

Are there any others that have been "released" this year?

Hugo Fugazi has been posting them in the links section, mainly...
You can also search at archive by including "miller" in the recent additions search.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was the '77 Sportatorium...I have been out of the game for months so I'm rusty but I'll get back at you. Most of it isn't circulating since he doesn't want to antagonize Rhino, so one had to be over at the Lossless Legs forum at the right moment to get ahold of an upgrade...I think the only one I actually got was Sportatorium but there were a decent amount more...to be contunued.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I posted a list somewhere.
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