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My favorite era is...
Primal (65-70)
12%
 12%  [ 3 ]
Pre-Retirment (71-74)
36%
 36%  [ 9 ]
Post-Retirement (76- Early 79)
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
Pre-Coma (Mid 79- Mid 86)
28%
 28%  [ 7 ]
Post-Coma (Late 86 - Mid 90)
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Bruce (Late 90 - Early 92)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Post-Bruce (Mid 92 - 7/9/95)
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Your favorite era? Reply with quote

Well?
And, before you start, I know, you don't accept my breakdown of the eras.

Well, this is what the next round of voting for the top 50 is probably going to look like.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say its about right. you could maybe break it down to a few sub-eras in the late 60's early 70s's but that's nitpicking

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but Bruce was NOT in the band. I don't care what you say, he was never an official member. He was a sit in, a replacement player and no matter how good you think he was or what you thought he contributed there is no Bruce era. He missed way too many shows. This also really shits all over Vince who contributed a whole lot, for better or worse. It's the Vince era with Bruce tagging along when he could.

I also don't see why this whole Era thing is such a big deal. I listen to all shows subjectively and find joy in all years. In terms of catogorizing I get it. Some I like better than others but to paint a broad stroke that 71 sucks, or E72 is crappy and all 95 is unlistenable is just ignorant. There are moments in all eras that soar to great peaks and valleys.

This tournament has been fun for me because I listened to the shows I wasn't that familiar with and voted as to how each show compared against another. I've found that I'm all over the place. I was really impressed with Charlote 95, a show I never thought to give a chance too. I listened to the whole thing and thought it was really good. But for me it wasn't a contest. I think getting pidgeonholed into eras is really standing in the way of some really good music.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You make some good points, and I know I am an offender here...
Categorization is not based on nothing of course, there were distinctive sounds, songs, etc. in the "eras', but you could also bleed eras into each other or split them up into further eras, all the way down to tours, runs, and individual shows.
Imagine, a deadhead being critical Laughing
I have been to harsh...
Doesn't change what I like, but I have been too harsh.

And, that Charlotte show rocks! I listened to 9/6/80 again today, which also rocks. What can we do?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post retirement + 1979, 1980, and 1981.
I voted Post retirement.
'Bruce Era' is pretty close though....

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

71>>74--Pre-Retirement Shocked ing I know. This is when I saw probably around 75% of the shows I went too.BTW From what I have read I think Hornsby was formally asked to join the band by Garcia. It was pretty open-ended, but I have always considered him more than a fill in.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things went downhill throughout the Keith Era, and then of course the bottom fell out with the addition of Brent - and then nothing at all left in the tank for the band post-coma. They should never have brought Mickey back, and really shouldn't have put out all of those lame albums from 1973 on.

But 1971 was really the pinnacle of everything Dead - an Era unto it's own. I need not look any further than this absolute gem of a show. The Brent Era and 90s and only drool in jealousy of what occurred this night in hot-Lanta:

Atlanta Municipal Auditorium
Location Atlanta, GA
Date 11/11/71 - Thursday

One Bertha [5:39] ; Me And My Uncle [3:30] ; Sugaree [6:34] ; Playing In The Band [6:11] ; Tennessee Jed [6:32] ; Jack Straw [4:56] ; Casey Jones [5:54]

Two Me And Bobby McGee [6:01] ; Big Railroad Blues [3:10] ; Mexicali Blues [3:01] ; One More Saturday Night [4:29] ; Truckin' [8:43] ; Sugar Magnolia (1) [4:33] ; Not Fade Away [7:20] > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [8:32] > Not Fade Away [2:41]

Encore Johnny B. Goode [3:37]



Probably the best ever versions of Playin and Jack Straw in Set 1, and then Bobby McGee, the PERFECT set opener kicks off the best set of all-time. I mean who needs Scarlet-Fire when you got McGee-Railroad anyway (no-one). Four powerful Bobby tunes in a row from Mexicali through Sugar Mag, but that's not all! We get a mammoth NFA sandwich leaving nothing at all to the imagination. And Johnny B. Goode does not "mail-in" the encore slot in the least bit .

Just goes to show how much better this Era was than any of the later years. I mean try listening to show after show from years like 1979, 1981, 1984, or 1990....all I can say is good luck! There's very slim pickens there in terms of power, musicianship, or spontaneity.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting ridiculous!

Obviously you are missing the mastery that comes with perhaps THE best show ever. Or at least the best set ever.

RFK 6/7/86

Ramble On Rose
New Minglewood Blues
It Must Have Been The Roses
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Desolation Row

Set 2

Box Of Rain
Playing In The Band ->
Terrapin Station ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Other One ->
Wharf Rat ->
Around And Around ->
Good Lovin'

Encore
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

Really you can't fault ANYONE for not being pumped about a rockin Ramble On Rose to open. THREE covers in the HUGE first set, 2 of them by the SAME FREAKIN artist. The best is they play a whopping 23 minutes before going into drums. And the MOST BESTEST part of all was having Jerry wonder off stage to relieve himself in a garbage can. That act alone elevates this to epic status. Really this is the peak of the Grateful Dead as we know it. Giving the fans not only musical genius but a freakish sideshow as well!

Really Swami! This is a top notch performance by a band on the top of it's game. You win!

Now of course we know that Jerry was really fucking ill here and it was about 112 degrees. The Atlanta show you reference had a major problem as the cops were hassling not only tha band, but the audience as well. A late flight to the show put things behind and just an overall bad vibe. Also factor in that this is Atlanta in the 1971 their first Ga show. They played in NOLA and Fla previously in the year, but Atlanta was a little different place at the time. Pig was also not present at this one.

My point is for every show from your most hated 71 or hell even the whole Pig era you so much despise, I can name you just as many shows from other eras that are just as awful. We can go on for days but really what is the point. And why are you so angry about it? While I don't agree with some of you opinions, I respect you're right to have them. I'm just a little taken back at the level of anger that you hold over some of opinions.

If you are going to word things as such as E72 is crappy, well that is a pretty strongly worded statement and you might expect some sort of strong reply. You have every right to think 71 sucks, but I also have a right to say that 71 does not suck. I despise Dancin and make some strong statements about that and not everyone agrees, but I'm not taking it personally. That's what makes this fun, however I get the feeling you aren't having fun with this. I might be WAAAAAAAAAAY off on this but it might be time to take a little break.

Of course if I'm wrong, please except my apologies as I have misinterpreted your work. I mean no harm or judgement on you and you reeled me in hook, line. and sinker!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
This is getting ridiculous!

Obviously you are missing the mastery that comes with perhaps THE best show ever. Or at least the best set ever.

RFK 6/7/86

Ramble On Rose
New Minglewood Blues
It Must Have Been The Roses
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Desolation Row

Set 2

Box Of Rain
Playing In The Band ->
Terrapin Station ->
Drums ->
Space ->
The Other One ->
Wharf Rat ->
Around And Around ->
Good Lovin'

Encore
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

Really you can't fault ANYONE for not being pumped about a rockin Ramble On Rose to open. THREE covers in the HUGE first set, 2 of them by the SAME FREAKIN artist. The best is they play a whopping 23 minutes before going into drums. And the MOST BESTEST part of all was having Jerry wonder off stage to relieve himself in a garbage can. That act alone elevates this to epic status. Really this is the peak of the Grateful Dead as we know it. Giving the fans not only musical genius but a freakish sideshow as well!

Really Swami! This is a top notch performance by a band on the top of it's game. You win!

Now of course we know that Jerry was really fucking ill here and it was about 112 degrees. The Atlanta show you reference had a major problem as the cops were hassling not only tha band, but the audience as well. A late flight to the show put things behind and just an overall bad vibe. Also factor in that this is Atlanta in the 1971 their first Ga show. They played in NOLA and Fla previously in the year, but Atlanta was a little different place at the time. Pig was also not present at this one.

My point is for every show from your most hated 71 or hell even the whole Pig era you so much despise, I can name you just as many shows from other eras that are just as awful. We can go on for days but really what is the point. And why are you so angry about it? While I don't agree with some of you opinions, I respect you're right to have them. I'm just a little taken back at the level of anger that you hold over some of opinions.

If you are going to word things as such as E72 is crappy, well that is a pretty strongly worded statement and you might expect some sort of strong reply. You have every right to think 71 sucks, but I also have a right to say that 71 does not suck. I despise Dancin and make some strong statements about that and not everyone agrees, but I'm not taking it personally. That's what makes this fun, however I get the feeling you aren't having fun with this. I might be WAAAAAAAAAAY off on this but it might be time to take a little break.

Of course if I'm wrong, please except my apologies as I have misinterpreted your work. I mean no harm or judgement on you and you reeled me in hook, line. and sinker!


LOL!!! I was at that stinker!!!!!
Swami, Re: Atlanta 71 - do you possibly think that the setlist is also incomplete, perhaps based on only what is available in recordings???????

I agree with Lucas. there is schwag in every era. One thing you cant deny about 71 is there was energy and they were rapidly evolving into the monster of 72-74.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
Just goes to show how much better this Era was than any of the later years. I mean try listening to show after show from years like 1979, 1981, 1984, or 1990....all I can say is good luck! There's very slim pickens there in terms of power, musicianship, or spontaneity.


Dude, we get it. Y'all don't like 71. So don't listen to it. Move on.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on Swami, we all know this is the best show:
8/6/71
One Bertha [5:52] ; Playing In The Band [4:34] ; Loser [6:29] ; Mr. Charlie [3:27] ; El Paso ; Cumberland Blues [5:03] ; Brokedown Palace [4:57] ; Me And Bobby McGee [5:47] ; Hard To Handle [7:16] ; Casey Jones [4:55]
Two Saint Stephen [6:16] ; Truckin' [6:50] > Drums [3:56] > The Other One [7:29] > Me And My Uncle [3:08] > The Other One [5:41] ; Deal [5:05] ; Sugar Magnolia [6:18] ; Morning Dew [10:42] ; Turn On Your Lovelight [23:38]


I believe Mr. Swami is perturbed because you guys bashed his opinions pretty well in the tournament threads, so he is just returning the favor.
People get all up at arms when the Pig or Keith era are slagged, but its fine and dandy to diss opinions on the Brent and Vince eras. He's simply calling shenanigans, and rightfully so.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Come on Swami, we all know this is the best show:
8/6/71
One Bertha [5:52] ; Playing In The Band [4:34] ; Loser [6:29] ; Mr. Charlie [3:27] ; El Paso ; Cumberland Blues [5:03] ; Brokedown Palace [4:57] ; Me And Bobby McGee [5:47] ; Hard To Handle [7:16] ; Casey Jones [4:55]
Two Saint Stephen [6:16] ; Truckin' [6:50] > Drums [3:56] > The Other One [7:29] > Me And My Uncle [3:08] > The Other One [5:41] ; Deal [5:05] ; Sugar Magnolia [6:18] ; Morning Dew [10:42] ; Turn On Your Lovelight [23:38]


I believe Mr. Swami is perturbed because you guys bashed his opinions pretty well in the tournament threads, so he is just returning the favor.
People get all up at arms when the Pig or Keith era are slagged, but its fine and dandy to diss opinions on the Brent and Vince eras. He's simply calling shenanigans, and rightfully so.


Hell yeah that's a great show.

Or, instead of cherry-picking a show with known cop issues, Swami could have picked the show from four days before the one he bashed.. A mega-classic at the Harding Theater...

Set 1

Truckin'
Brown Eyed Women
Beat It On Down The Line
Hide Away
Sugaree
Jack Straw
Tennessee Jed
Cumberland Blues
El Paso
Big Railroad Blues
Comes A Time
Mexicali Blues
One More Saturday Night

Set 2

Ramble On Rose
Me And Bobby McGee
Loser
Sugar Magnolia
Dark Star ->
Drums ->
The Other One ->
Me And My Uncle ->
The Other One
Deal
Brokedown Palace
Playing In The Band
Casey Jones
Not Fade Away ->
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
Not Fade Away

Encore
Johnny B. Goode
Uncle John's Band
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pre-coma baby!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: My 2 cents Reply with quote

It has long been my opinion that a deadhead's persuasion/era has to do with when his/her (to be gender neutral) first show was, or when he/she first 'got it". This could then be any time,, with any period when the band resonated with that head 'at that moment in time'.
It could have been early (with Pig during Workingman's) or even earlier with Live Dead or later with Mars Hotel (my era) or with In the Dark, etc.
I really see the brilliance of Brent but am taken aback with Bruce's ability to spark Jerry, but then Keith (at his best, not nodding) was on track often as well, but they are the fluid aspect of the band, with the core group being the factor that is the constant.
I could be wrong (often am) but I value all the 'eras' as aspects of the Grateful Dead that are significant in their walk on the path.
I have seen where people take umbrage with various critiques of the band or challenges to their views personally. And I think that all of these periods (as with Picasso's blue period, rose period, etc.) are of utmost importance in the progression of this incredible group/band.
I could be full of beans or some other brown material (-to steer clear of the censors) but this group of musicians/artists are/were nothing short of revolutionary.
Disagree with me as you will ( I welcome/love it) but the boys were always doing what other artists only dreamed of. Playing for us, playing for themselves, pushing the boundaries of what was anticipated and expected at a show. Reinvention, pushing limits, new technology, new/old/world embracing approach to music.
This site, with umbrage and agreement, reflect what the Dead are all about, creativity, authenticity, americana, exploration, free-form, and more than I can elaborate in my inebrireted (sp) state.
These guys pushed it, and we are better for it. I recognize some debates regarding when they were at their peak , but honestly they had many peaks. As we all do. And hopefully will yet have.
Well, that is what I have to say after reviewing several tremendous videos of different 'eras' of the GD in the past days (courtesy of several wonderful heads).
MY GOD, these guys rocked. We are so lucky to be in on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the old fun Era battles.... Laughing Exclamation

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think we'll manage with less flaming these days...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: My 2 cents Reply with quote

tknight wrote:
It has long been my opinion that a deadhead's persuasion/era has to do with when his/her (to be gender neutral) first show was, or when he/she first 'got it". This could then be any time,, with any period when the band resonated with that head 'at that moment in time'.
It could have been early (with Pig during Workingman's) or even earlier with Live Dead or later with Mars Hotel (my era) or with In the Dark, etc.
I really see the brilliance of Brent but am taken aback with Bruce's ability to spark Jerry, but then Keith (at his best, not nodding) was on track often as well, but they are the fluid aspect of the band, with the core group being the factor that is the constant.
I could be wrong (often am) but I value all the 'eras' as aspects of the Grateful Dead that are significant in their walk on the path.
I have seen where people take umbrage with various critiques of the band or challenges to their views personally. And I think that all of these periods (as with Picasso's blue period, rose period, etc.) are of utmost importance in the progression of this incredible group/band.
I could be full of beans or some other brown material (-to steer clear of the censors) but this group of musicians/artists are/were nothing short of revolutionary.
Disagree with me as you will ( I welcome/love it) but the boys were always doing what other artists only dreamed of. Playing for us, playing for themselves, pushing the boundaries of what was anticipated and expected at a show. Reinvention, pushing limits, new technology, new/old/world embracing approach to music.
This site, with umbrage and agreement, reflect what the Dead are all about, creativity, authenticity, americana, exploration, free-form, and more than I can elaborate in my inebrireted (sp) state.
These guys pushed it, and we are better for it. I recognize some debates regarding when they were at their peak , but honestly they had many peaks. As we all do. And hopefully will yet have.
Well, that is what I have to say after reviewing several tremendous videos of different 'eras' of the GD in the past days (courtesy of several wonderful heads).
MY GOD, these guys rocked. We are so lucky to be in on this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here, here! Well said. I truly DO believe that the part about the favorite era often being tied to when you "bust your cherry" with the Dead. I first caught the Boys at The Philadelphia Spectrum on 4/6/82. I was into mostly metal / hard rock before that and they opened my eyes to many, many different genres of music that I never even considered before. I am a classic example as my favorite little "era" directly coincides with when I started to see them and started on this truly magical and life changing journey. I am particularly fond of the energy and excitement from '82 - '85 before the :Touch Heads" doubled our population overnight. Summer Tour '85 was SICK! Gotta love all years of Dead IMHO.

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Oy vay! Smile

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