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Bob Dylan at the Budakon (1979)

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:08 am    Post subject: Bob Dylan at the Budakon (1979) Reply with quote

I just got this album for Christmas and can't stop listening to it. The band is nothing but prefect, especially Steve Douglas on woodwind. But as i was researching is I noticed it got terrible reviews? wtf? I'm really starting to dive into Dylan, and i haven't heard much other live stuff, so I'm assuming these reviewers are just comparing them to his other live releases. Anyone else on here despise this album?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the arrangements are new and different which is good but, it the issue was/is that it is somehow too much a copy of the Springsteen band! Dylan got really mad to this kind of critics!

There are some cool versions of Dylan tunes there ... like Forever young ... Mr. Tman and so on! I hate Like a rolling stone on the other hand

Fun and different music for sure ... but there were better Dylan tours anyway in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I pretty much hated it. It was heralded as the Vegas Bob Dylan. Kinda like what Elvis did. I never listened to it much.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spencer do yourself a favor and pick up Dylan at Carnegie Hall October 31 1964. You won't regret it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that you say it I'm noticing a huge similarity to Springsteen's sound. I think he does it a little better though ( I know those are fighting words on this site, with the number of Springsteen fans on here. So im ready for your punches guys lol Battle ) But I've only listened to a handful of Springsteen songs, so im no expert.

And Fillmore, i went and heard a few songs from Carnegie Hall 1964. Wow! Sounds like a great show. I might get Before the Flood first though.

As always, thanks for the input guys!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spencer try this:

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I have started this thread for my favourite shows!

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that "Before The Flood" is a better live album, imo, tha "Live At Budokan".
I would also point out his "Real Live" LP, very kicking band of british blues/rock pedigree, including Mick Taylor and Ian McLagin. Special guest spot has Santana sitting in.
As far as the 60's stuff, the Carnegie 64 mentioned by others is top notch, but out of all his live releases, The best may be The Bootleg Series, Vol. 4-Live 1966-The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert, (actually a show from Manchester, but heavily bootlegged as Royal Albert Hall).
My "least favorite" live disc of bob's is "Hard Rain".
Now, as far as Dylan sounding like Springsteen's band, recall that these Budakon tracks were recorded in late february, 1978, At that time, Springsteen was relatively inactive, fueding with Columbia, and hadn't released anything since late summer 1975's Born To Run. He did a short tour in late winter 76, and a longer late winter tour in 77. He wasn't "influencing" much of anybody at the time, outside of Manfred Mann, who used the vacuum to produce a string of hits wrung out of Bruce's first LP.
However, many bands started to use a "wall of sound" approach, now I'm not talking about the dead's wall of sound PA system, but rather in the context of Phil Specter's Wall Of Sound approach, a multi-textured sound, produced in the studio with overdubs and string sections, but live by using multiple guitars, keyboards and horns.
Scores of bands were using this approach, that first came into vogue in 74/75 and trickled into the early 80's. (In a sense, this is the sound that the punk movement had risen up to counter.) Clapton, starting with his Slowhand album, and Fleetwood Mac on their self titled and Rumors releases are some prime examples.
So, perhaps it would be more to the point to say both Dylan and Springsteen were among the bands using the Phil Specter wall of sound approach, and on first blush would yield some sonic similarities.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... it seems that as far as Zimmy is concerned the situation is that fortunately each one of us have different tastes ... "Hard Rain" is one of my favourites as far as intensity, Bobby voice, and original new arrangements are concerned!

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bob dylan live 1975 is to me a way better document of the RTR than hard rain is. i have listened to some of those budokan songs and to me bobs voice sounds really weak and not into it..and i hate the tacky showtune arrangments he used.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2011 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jessewood34 wrote:
bob dylan live 1975 is to me a way better document of the RTR than hard rain is. i have listened to some of those budokan songs and to me bobs voice sounds really weak and not into it..and i hate the tacky showtune arrangments he used.


I had forgotten about the live 75 from the bootleg series, (For live Dylan listening, I tend to rely on tapes/CDR's, and ignore the official catalog,) and yes jesse, I agree that is a stronger representation of the Rolling Thunder Review than "Hard Rain".
Once again, that's just my opinion.
May, the month of Bob's birth. I try to set some time aside each May to get in some intense Dylan listening, but so far this month, I've only listened to Infidels and Real Live, and both of those were interrupted by phone calls.
I got some work to do on catching up, may just start loading CD carousal at bedtime, lol.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

henryhill wrote:
jessewood34 wrote:
bob dylan live 1975 is to me a way better document of the RTR than hard rain is. i have listened to some of those budokan songs and to me bobs voice sounds really weak and not into it..and i hate the tacky showtune arrangments he used.


I had forgotten about the live 75 from the bootleg series, (For live Dylan listening, I tend to rely on tapes/CDR's, and ignore the official catalog,) and yes jesse, I agree that is a stronger representation of the Rolling Thunder Review than "Hard Rain".
Once again, that's just my opinion.
May, the month of Bob's birth. I try to set some time aside each May to get in some intense Dylan listening, but so far this month, I've only listened to Infidels and Real Live, and both of those were interrupted by phone calls.
I got some work to do on catching up, may just start loading CD carousal at bedtime, lol.


I wore the hell out of my cassette copy of Real Live. I loved that album when it first came out. Mick Taylor is a nice addition to his band ( He was also on Inidels). The solo acoustic Tangled Up In Blue on this album is the best version of this tune I've heard. He also changed the lyrics around a bit and I think the tune is better off for it.

Infidels is an underated album. It's a little on the short side but I think the instumental work on it is great. Having Mark Knopfler and Taylor on board really helped. I and I is one of the better later day Dylan tunes out there in my opinion.
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