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Favorite St. Stephen "Era"?
68, 70
42%
 42%  [ 9 ]
71-76
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
77-79
19%
 19%  [ 4 ]
10-"11,15,31"-1983
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
.....with a rose, only 1969 does St. Stephen go....
28%
 28%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: St Stephen Reply with quote

Saint Stephen- a picture and an explanation!



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Good Saint Stephens?

08/24/68

02/04/69

01/02/70

04/08/71

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at the risk of pissing everyone off...
I think this song is generally overrated.

I like some of course... 5/8/77 being the number one for me... but I don't really care for this show. I never see it in a setlist and say, YEAH! But... I appreciate that many do. My other favs come from the well known shows...
2/2/68
2/14/68
10/13/68
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Well, at the risk of pissing everyone off...
I think this song is generally overrated.

I like some of course... 5/8/77 being the number one for me... but I don't really care for this show. I never see it in a setlist and say, YEAH! But... I appreciate that many do. My other favs come from the well known shows...
2/2/68
2/14/68
10/13/68


68' .... now you're talkin' my language. And overrated?!? When it runs into the 11, or (GASP) so rarely into "The Main Ten"?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
2/2/68
2/14/68
10/13/68

Only one of these shows has a Stephen!

I like the effects on the AOXOMOXOA Outtakes version....
....as far as live versions, I'll say 4/27/69 for now

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, tried to recall off my head... I'm stupid...
10/13/68... I can vouch for that one
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey all, back from vacation.....my favorites are 69 - they had this tune down and it was powerful. I also dig the 70 versions (5/15!) some of the 1971 one drummer versions, the LATE 77 through 79 and 1983 versions. Thick and deep. 10/29/77 is the shit. I dont really dig the 76 and Spring 77 versions for the most part - kind of wimpy.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'70-'71!
5/6/70 and 5/14/70

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the best ones are the 'one drummer' 1971 ones:
    1971/04/06 (probably one of the best)
    1971/04/28 (added bonus of TC on Hammond organ)
    1971/04/04


Around this time they were doing St. Stephen > Not Fade Away > GDTRFB

The 'one drummer' thing just really worked for me.
However there are some notable 1970's St Stephens too:

1970/09/19
1970/02/13
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinarider79 wrote:
Kochman wrote:
2/2/68
2/14/68
10/13/68

Only one of these shows has a Stephen!

I like the effects on the AOXOMOXOA Outtakes version....
....as far as live versions, I'll say 4/27/69 for now


Is the Aoxomoxoa Outtake version the same as the first pressing version?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogstarz wrote:
chinarider79 wrote:
Kochman wrote:
2/2/68
2/14/68
10/13/68

Only one of these shows has a Stephen!

I like the effects on the AOXOMOXOA Outtakes version....
....as far as live versions, I'll say 4/27/69 for now


Is the Aoxomoxoa Outtake version the same as the first pressing version?

No.... the outtake has some little weird additions like a cello and a telephone that unfortunately never made it to the first pressing or the re-mix. Plus, it also includes a bagpipe accompanying William Tell Bridge that leads into an explosive Eleven.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh [CENSORED] yes! The outtakes version....that little Stephen was the very beginning of me getting into Live GD....I think i'm gonna check it out now for the nostalgia.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never heard these outtakes. I am listening right now and it has my favorite St. Stephen. Now I understand, truly understand, what Jerry meant when he said it was made for the hallucinations. This is craziness in the best of ways.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1983 - MSG, Hartford, Marin County - that's my element. 60s versions were great, and 77 had good energy, but for me the transitions out of Space were exhilarating.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late '60s for sure. The transitions out of Darkstar and into The Eleven are just mind blowing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morticia wrote:
For me the best ones are the 'one drummer' 1971 ones:
    1971/04/06 (probably one of the best)
    1971/04/28 (added bonus of TC on Hammond organ)
    1971/04/04


Around this time they were doing St. Stephen > Not Fade Away > GDTRFB

The 'one drummer' thing just really worked for me.
However there are some notable 1970's St Stephens too:

1970/09/19
1970/02/13

good! I'm not the only one who digs the one drummer versions!!
4/28/71 makes me happy.
The 10/31/71 Stephen is great too.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
morticia wrote:
For me the best ones are the 'one drummer' 1971 ones:
    1971/04/06 (probably one of the best)
    1971/04/28 (added bonus of TC on Hammond organ)
    1971/04/04


Around this time they were doing St. Stephen > Not Fade Away > GDTRFB

The 'one drummer' thing just really worked for me.
However there are some notable 1970's St Stephens too:

1970/09/19
1970/02/13

good! I'm not the only one who digs the one drummer versions!!
4/28/71 makes me happy.
The 10/31/71 Stephen is great too.


me too! just listened to the 2/18/71 steven> nfa> gdtrfb> steve> nfa> ujb. i always listen to the dark star>wharf>ds from this show. i'd been neglecting an amazing 71 steven!

oh wait, that was mickey's last show.. ergo not a one-drummer version. whatever. great jam tho.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I wrote:1971/04/06 (probably one of the best)


Oh poo ! That's a typo. Of course I meant 1971/08/06 Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9-19-70
DarkStar>St Stephen>NFA
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the one on Live Dead
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I feel like the 69's are when they feel the most comfortable with it -- broken in, full force, and you can tell the band isn't getting tired of it (I feel like some of the later 71 versions sound like they're obliging the crowd and not 100% into it -- 10/31/71 for example). That being said, I also enjoy

6/14/68
2/8/70 (the segue into and out of NFA is fantastic)
6/24/70
6/9/76 (classic 76 kaleidoscope style)
3/20/77 (flubs galore, but still a great jam)
1/11 and 1/22/78
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to commit sacriledge here and say... I just think this song is totally overrated.
Are there some good ones out there? Sure... but I never LOOK for a St. Stephen... and the amount of attention it gets seems totally undue.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylan&theded wrote:
the one on Live Dead
What he said! possibly with this beauty they set the bar too high and everyone expexted the following versions to be as good.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems to typify 'psychedelic rock' for me...rambly, lots of riffs, a bunch of people singing, at least one of whom may be a woman...sort of weak songwriting, some noodling here and there, herky-jerky feel, too many ideas and not enough cohesion. But some versions are really great. Since I'm into '77 now, I'll put in a plug for 5-5 New Haven, which has a nice jam, and also 12-30 (I think? Bonus material on Dick Pick 10). Of course Cornell is good, and MacArthur Court '78 is perhaps the best. I do like these late '70s ones about the best, they seem a little less herky-jerky than the 60s and early 70s...
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10/29/77 is a rockin' version. 12/31/78 - St. Stephen is the highlight of this overrated show.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know greenfox has deemed us unworthy of his amazing presence at this site... but can anyone explain his poll choices?
I mean, why would 68 & 70 be grouped, but 69 be separate? Because TC was there for all of 69?

Not that there is generally any rhyme or reason to a greenfox post, but this has always stood out.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
I know greenfox has deemed us unworthy of his amazing presence at this site... but can anyone explain his poll choices?
I mean, why would 68 & 70 be grouped, but 69 be separate? Because TC was there for all of 69?

Not that there is generally any rhyme or reason to a greenfox post, but this has always stood out.

I think Greenfox has some serious problems unrelated to participation in this site, hence his uninvolvement...but yeah, I really do not get that separation either..

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He may have health problems, as we know from his past... but he did post about 3-4 posts here about how this place wasn't worthy of him (an ironic place to post it).
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6-9-76 is just really great.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.11.78!

Heavy Metal Style!

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