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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Jerry on slide Reply with quote

I was just listening to 10/29/77 where Jerry takes a slide solo on Black Peter.
His excellent soloing got me wondering - why didn't he play slide more often?
I'm not talking about pedal steel, but the dude could play slide solos really well (god knows he had a better mastery of it than Bob). It seemed like after about 81 (after they dropped Passenger) he only took a solo on Rooster and on Walkin Blues). He used to do a nice slide solo on Row Jimmy and I've heard 77 Stella Blues were he does a beautiful slide solo in either the middle or outro. And he tore it up on Passenger. And pre-retirement the slide would be played occasionally. I heard a New Speedway where he pulls it out, and some Hard to Handle's that sound awesome with it. Any thoughts on why he didnt play it more?
IMO its too bad because he was good at it (and FYI for non-guitar geeks, playing in standard tuning is harder than playing slide in open tuning) and it added an extra dimension. Did he drop it in favor of Bob's screeching slide????
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. It's a mystery why he didn't play it more. The guy was a master musican.Guitar, pedal steel, banjo, piano and God knows whatever else he tinkered with that we never heard. Loved his acoustic playing. It's amazing to me that he considered himself mediocre on acoustic Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Agreed. It's a mystery why he didn't play it more. The guy was a master musican.Guitar, pedal steel, banjo, piano and God knows whatever else he tinkered with that we never heard. Loved his acoustic playing. It's amazing to me that he considered himself mediocre on acoustic Shocked

He considered himself mediocre on acoustic?? Christ even in his dying days, he stood toe to toe with Tony Rice, one of the acoustic greats. When I listen to the Pizza tapes, I cant tell who is who.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent topic....I think Jerry does his best slide work in '73 and '74.....One of my favs is 11/21/73 and check out Weather Report.....Wolf sounds soo smooth...LAter
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skobud wrote:
Excellent topic....I think Jerry does his best slide work in '73 and '74.....One of my favs is 11/21/73 and check out Weather Report.....Wolf sounds soo smooth...LAter


Good call on the WRS. He also did some cool slide work in the Mind Left Body and Spanish Jams during this period.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
fillmoreeast wrote:
Agreed. It's a mystery why he didn't play it more. The guy was a master musican.Guitar, pedal steel, banjo, piano and God knows whatever else he tinkered with that we never heard. Loved his acoustic playing. It's amazing to me that he considered himself mediocre on acoustic Shocked

He considered himself mediocre on acoustic?? Christ even in his dying days, he stood toe to toe with Tony Rice, one of the acoustic greats. When I listen to the Pizza tapes, I cant tell who is who.


Tony Rice is a lot faster, but Jerry is a genius.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that he was a mediocre player on acoustic, but he said i think I remember reading this that he felt mediocre on acoustic because he played it like an electric. And if youre a guitar nerd/player you can imagine what he means, and hear it too. However the simple fact that his style transcends both instruments, puts him lightyears ahead of anyone as far as I am concerned. And the thing that jerry had that is absent in pretty much every "great" guitarist, virtuoso, etc is soul. I mean it just pours out of the speakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, soul and I'd add a weird kind of charisma that just drips out of everything he did...I'd say susceptibility to which is probably what determines some people to become "deadheads."
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I LOVE Jerry on slide during Row Jimmy from 1/22/78...trippy as hell!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eyebelieve wrote:
Not that he was a mediocre player on acoustic, but he said i think I remember reading this that he felt mediocre on acoustic because he played it like an electric. And if youre a guitar nerd/player you can imagine what he means, and hear it too. However the simple fact that his style transcends both instruments, puts him lightyears ahead of anyone as far as I am concerned. And the thing that jerry had that is absent in pretty much every "great" guitarist, virtuoso, etc is soul. I mean it just pours out of the speakers.

I am certainly no guitar technical expert, by a long shot... but the show he did at the Oregon State Pen in 82... sounds pretty darn good on the acoustic... not trying for electric sound... to me at least.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Eyebelieve wrote:
Not that he was a mediocre player on acoustic, but he said i think I remember reading this that he felt mediocre on acoustic because he played it like an electric. And if youre a guitar nerd/player you can imagine what he means, and hear it too. However the simple fact that his style transcends both instruments, puts him lightyears ahead of anyone as far as I am concerned. And the thing that jerry had that is absent in pretty much every "great" guitarist, virtuoso, etc is soul. I mean it just pours out of the speakers.

I am certainly no guitar technical expert, by a long shot... but the show he did at the Oregon State Pen in 82... sounds pretty darn good on the acoustic... not trying for electric sound... to me at least.


Yeah, I think all of those shows sound really great on acoustic, and I don't think he was necessarily trying for an electric sound, I just think a lot of the stuff he was listening to (Cannon's Jug Stompers, Mississippi John Hurt, 20's Country Blues) is in a two finger style that has this stranger syncopation that is not as straightforward as one would think. And I think Jerry being a great musical encyclopedia realized that of the true pure acoustic players... if you have nothing to strive for you'd probably stop playing. These are all assumptions based on him saying that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Eyebelieve wrote:
Not that he was a mediocre player on acoustic, but he said i think I remember reading this that he felt mediocre on acoustic because he played it like an electric. And if youre a guitar nerd/player you can imagine what he means, and hear it too. However the simple fact that his style transcends both instruments, puts him lightyears ahead of anyone as far as I am concerned. And the thing that jerry had that is absent in pretty much every "great" guitarist, virtuoso, etc is soul. I mean it just pours out of the speakers.

I am certainly no guitar technical expert, by a long shot... but the show he did at the Oregon State Pen in 82... sounds pretty darn good on the acoustic... not trying for electric sound... to me at least.


Yeah, I think all of those shows sound really great on acoustic, and I don't think he was necessarily trying for an electric sound, I just think a lot of the stuff he was listening to (Cannon's Jug Stompers, Mississippi John Hurt, 20's Country Blues) is in a two finger style that has this stranger syncopation that is not as straightforward as one would think. And I think Jerry being a great musical encyclopedia realized that of the true pure acoustic players... if you have nothing to strive for you'd probably stop playing. These are all assumptions based on him saying that.
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