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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: Is Jerry Garcia Band(Projects) Your Second Favorite Band? Reply with quote

First off, to the LSP regulars who will probably be reading this within the next 1 to 2 hours from now.... good morning! Cheers

Is Jerry Garcia Band( or similar Jerry projects) your second favorite band? ( Bonus points if you explain why or why not Cool )

I'm just curious as if I am the only person who is such a Garcia music snob/freak around here that easily considers GD/JGB as their clear favorite musical performers. Jerry Rocks

The answer for me is yes, not only is Jerry the clear best guitar player for my ears, but he really knew how to surround himself with fellow exceptional musicians.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:28 am    Post subject: JGB Reply with quote

No, but JGB is probably in my top 5 - definitely top 10. I really miss the rest of the band when I listen to JGB - especially Bob Weir.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I really dig Bobby....but I just think the songs that JGB performed would have been better off with just Jerry on Guitar..(but if GD played more JGB songs on tour would have been bad ass). Plus, Jerry sings on just about every song....besides the rare (awful) Donna songs...I heard 'Strange Man' at work this morning...it was unarguable shitty. Sad Laughing

I also do love when Robert Hunter would step in with JGB as well (I know at least four shows during late February/early March 1980....anyone know of any shows he would come in and sing/perform)....Tiger Rose and Promontory Rider baby! Love those songs!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GD is easily my favorite band.
Jerry Garcia is easily my favorite guitar player ever.
Like Swami, JGB is probably in my top 10. I also miss the rest of the band, and the GD had more energy, in general, than the JGB did.

Other bands/musicians I have to put in the top 10 without thought...
Beatles
Cure
David Bowie
Doors
Pink Floyd
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also In the top ten. Garcia is probably my favorite musican. Saw Hunter open up for Garcia band in the late 70s and it was freakin' dreadful. Other top tenners
Beatles
Stones
Dylan
Hendrix
Cream...Not necesarily in this order. However w/out a doubt G.D. favorite band obviously. It's early no caffeine yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to say tht I liked JGB better than GD. Shocked .....This was heavily influenced by seeing them for the first time in Charlotte in '91. I was completely blown away by the JGB live sound......... I don't know if I could say second fav either, but I do know that Reflections and Compliments are two of my all time fav albums.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't really heard a whole lot of JGB, other than what had been officially released when I was growing up, but I did greatly enjoy what I listened to (the same thing goes for Kingfish). Today, with the wide availability (and search-ability) of GD shows, I rarely feel the need to wander elsewhere. Whenever I do try to get into Garcia's solo projects, I often get lost in the different eras of setlists and band lineups. I wish someone would come up with a kind of online search engine for Garcia setlists..... that might make things easier. I guess if someone were to ask me if I listen to anything else other than the Dead, I'd say JGB.

by the way..... I think Donna's voice was better suited for JGB.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Check out 'the Jerry site"
Don't know the exact URl, but just google 'The Jerry Site' and they offer setlists as deadlists and setlists does.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it goes kinda like this. Like Chinarider said its tough for me to classify all the different side projects into one musical group, although I like them all almost equally. Jerry Garcia is my favorite vocalist and favorite guitarist, so on any given morning I may pop in a Leigon of Mary, or Reconstruction, or Grateful Dead, or Garcia/Grisman, or Old & in the Way disc first. But regardless, Mr. Garcia is gonna be strumming and vocalizing on whatever it is.

Neil Young is my clear cut 2nd favorite. He is timeless in my eyes.

Yea Gopher, The Jerrysite is outstanding, someone put a lot of time and effort into it. A true labor of love.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I listen to some JGB and Jerry, but if I were to rank favorite bands, Jerry (as a solo or in one of his numerous side projects) would not be in the top 10. I enjoy his playing far more in the context of the GD. I find some of the early and mid 70's stuff too jazzy, self indulgent and/or slow.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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^ Check out 'the Jerry site"
Don't know the exact URl, but just google 'The Jerry Site' and they offer setlists as deadlists and setlists does.


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When people ask "Is that ALL you listen to?" when discussing the GD, my usual response is "No, of course not. I listen to Jerry Band, Old and In The Way, Legion of Mary..."

I wouldn't say JGB is my second fav, but in the top 5 easily.

GD
Beatles
Stones
ABB
JGB

3-5 rotate positions frequently.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to choose between Garcia projects which is my favorite so I will say it this way...

Love this music more than anything: Grateful Dead

a fairly close 2nd: All Things Garcia

3rd place & Beyond:
-- Robert Hunter
-- miscellaneous GD side-projects
-- Springsteen

4) whatever else

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zoooma wrote:
I don't want to choose between Garcia projects which is my favorite so I will say it this way...

Love this music more than anything: Grateful Dead

a fairly close 2nd: All Things Garcia

3rd place & Beyond:
-- Robert Hunter
-- miscellaneous GD side-projects
-- Springsteen

4) whatever else


Don't think I didn't notice you slipping Springsteen's cheeseball ass in this, cleverly buried amongst extended family grateful dead!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't think I didn't notice you slipping Springsteen's cheeseball ass in this, cleverly buried amongst extended family grateful dead!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm from Jersey. Sue me.


Sue you... Hell, I almost feel sorry for you! Laughing
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Sue you... Hell, I almost feel sorry for you! Laughing



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There's PLENTY in New Jersey to love and enjoy the hell out of! Unfortunately there are some Eagles and Phillies fans but it ain't all mafia and oil refineries, you know.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They grow some good asparagus in New Jersey I think...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he really knew how to surround himself with fellow exceptional musicians.


I totally agree: Merle Saunders, Nicky Hopkins, Ossie Ahlers, John Kahn etc etc.

I much prefer Jerry's solo projects to the Grateful Dead - JGB, Reconstruction, LOM et al.
I think the quality of the musicianship is far higher than the Grateful Dead's and the material played much more diverse and interesting.
It's no accident that Merle Saunders was brought in to overdub Hammond on 'Skull and Roses'.

I also think that the Grateful Dead's forays into funkier music (such as 'Franklins Tower', 'Shakedown Street', 'Brown Eyed Women' etc) would have really benefited by having that funky, 'in the pocket' and in the groove bass playing style that John Kahn did so well.

It is evident to me that Jerry is doing what he really, really loves in these projects just by listening to music. I think post 1984, Jerry's heart just doesn't seem to be in the Grateful Dead like it was in the 60 / 70's. Don't forget that the New Rider's of the Purple Sage also started life as a Jerry side project.

As for 'lack of energy' and 'self-indulgence', I can think of many examples of this in the Grateful Dead - both live and in the studio.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that was the case, why did he do the majority of his post 84 shows with the GD?
He didn't need to...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry Garcia knew how to surround himself with the finest musicians. I really like John Kahn and really, I love him as much as I love Phil. Merl Saunders goes without saying, but I am also a big fan of Melvin Seals. Do I love JGB more than The Grateful Dead? It depends on what I'm in the mood for. Oh and also David Grisman, gotta love mandolin.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is sort of an awkward question to ask Gopher. I lump JGB and GD music together. I don't really have a favorite when it comes down to it. But if I had to choose a favorite of the Garcia side projects I will take some Garcia/Saunders or Reconstruction any day of the week.
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I really love Garcia et al from 72-76. At times, I rate his playing with Merle, LOM, and with Hopkins above the Dead. I like it for two of the same reasons that Dude doesn't. I love some of the slow stuff (Georgia on my mind; Last Train from PV; Goin, Goin, Gone; Biloxi, which he played only a few times, Mississippi Moon, and Imagine). He mixed these up with faster and funkier stuff, such as Expressway and Thats all Right Mama. I also love the jazzy (although I think "funky" fits better than "jazzy" as wise Morticia says, such as Roadrunner, and, of course, most of the Merle songs). He also did some Dylan covers he did not do with the Dead, such as Wicked Messenger with LOM, which sure is wicked/dark and hardly slow or jazzy, and Tough Mama.

I guess I am trying to say the same thing that Morticia said so aptly and succinctly. Jerry's without the Dead seems more diverse to me, at least up to 76.

I am a little confused about why Dude thinks that the Jerry stuff is more indulgent than the Dead. To me, Bobby's stuff often is quite self indulgent, as was "drums" although I must say that Hopkins sure as heck is self-indulgent to the extreme. Actually, Jerry may have been more willing to sit back and let Merle and Fiero and Hopkins take over compared to the Dead. The Dead got to be a money maker and Jerry needed to be the main guy here, while he could be more in the background with the aforementioned, as well as with Grissman, and with Old and in the Way, which was not my cup of tea, but Jerry was hardly self-indulgent with them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Dead got to be a money maker and Jerry needed to be the main guy here,

That is my perception, rightly or wrongly. It may even have been contractual.

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while he could be more in the background with the aforementioned, as well as with Grissman, and with Old and in the Way, which was not my cup of tea, but Jerry was hardly self-indulgent with them.

Reconstruction are a really good example of Jerry taking a back seat, contributing to the whole and letting others shine.
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morticia wrote:
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The Dead got to be a money maker and Jerry needed to be the main guy here,

That is my perception, rightly or wrongly. It may even have been contractual.

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while he could be more in the background with the aforementioned, as well as with Grissman, and with Old and in the Way, which was not my cup of tea, but Jerry was hardly self-indulgent with them.

Reconstruction are a really good example of Jerry taking a back seat, contributing to the whole and letting others shine.


Reconstruction was really John Kahn's band. Jerry wasn't even the orginal lead guitarist for that band. I agree with you Morticia. Reconstruction was more of a full band thing.
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The Dead got to be a money maker and Jerry needed to be the main guy here,

That is my perception, rightly or wrongly. It may even have been contractual.

Sure, the GD got to be the money maker. You guys think it got to be a money maker because Jerry didn't put his heart into it?
Toward the end, he wasn't really there 100%... but writing off 84+ as a money making exercise when he really wished he could have been elsewhere is a bit too much.
I recommend watching some videos of the GD, watch Jerry's expressions, etc. In particular, watch some stuff from 89-90... several years after his "loss of interest" period.

He loved his side work, but the GD was still his main dealio. If he left the GD, and concentrated on his side work, it would have been a money maker too... he was richer than he really needed to be well before 85...

It's really a baseless idea, formed completely in your minds, this idea that he only played with the GD from 84+ because he had a contract (which I can almost guarantee he didn't) or because he, what, felt sorry for the other guys so he threw them a bone, or because he needed to make millions every year as opposed to only one million a year... none of those 3 things can explain why he toured so extensively with the GD continually.

He loved the GD, for all its good and bad.
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Garcia said this in, I believe 1976, but I like to think it held for the duration of his life:

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"the thing I'm most into is the survival of the Grateful Dead. I think that's my main trip now....I feel like I've had both trips now - I've been with the Grateful Dead for ten or twelve years, and I've also been out of it, in the sense of going out in the world and traveling and doing things under my own hook. And really, I'm not that taken with my own ideas. I don't really have that much to say, and I'm more interested in being involved in something that's larger than me....So, sometime in the last year I decided, yeah, that's it - that's definitely the farthest-out thing I've ever been involved in, and it's the thing that makes me feel the best. And it seems to have the most ability to sort of neurally put something good into the mainstream. It's also fascinating in the sense of the progression. The year-to-year changes are fascinating."

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There were, of course, things which would have alienated him from the Dead at the end there. He knew his bandmates disapproved of his habit after, what, two interventions? Who wants to be around that vibe? He was also just plain old tired. That won't get you fired up about much. Phil said in his book that they would try to play really, really well in order to try to get Garcia excited about what he was playing; but I imagine his whole nervous system was just a bit too fried by that point.
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I am a little confused about why Dude thinks that the Jerry stuff is more indulgent than the Dead. To me, Bobby's stuff often is quite self indulgent, as was "drums" although I must say that Hopkins sure as heck is self-indulgent to the extreme. Actually, Jerry may have been more willing to sit back and let Merle and Fiero and Hopkins take over compared to the Dead. The Dead got to be a money maker and Jerry needed to be the main guy here, while he could be more in the background with the aforementioned, as well as with Grissman, and with Old and in the Way, which was not my cup of tea, but Jerry was hardly self-indulgent with them.


I realize I am quoting myself here, but I do not want to be misinterpeted. In the above, I was taking issue with Dude's conclusion that he found Jerry's non-dead stuff to be self-indulgent. I tried to address this in the above. I did not say that Jerry was going through the motions with the Dead and this was not my intent at all. Maybe I am wrong on the lack of self-indulgence concept but this was what I was addressing. I was not saying anything about Jerry's enthusiam, or lack thereoff, in playing with the Dead.
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I was also puzzling over the idea of self indulgence. Is any art not self indulgent? If people like it, then cool. Take it or leave it.

I think my blog is pretty self indulgent to tell you the truth, but it is fun for me so I do it.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of self-indulgence, recent brain scan studies have revealed that when a musician is improvising, the same areas of the brain are firing that fire when a person is telling you about his or herself. I thought that was rather revealing/interesting.
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IMKind wrote:
Speaking of self-indulgence, recent brain scan studies have revealed that when a musician is improvising, the same areas of the brain are firing that fire when a person is telling you about his or herself. I thought that was rather revealing/interesting.

That's really interesting.
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i actualy prefer JGB and Jerry with various musicians over the dead.... cause alot of the times in the dead bobby and jerry are fighting with mickey and bill for spotlight... and you can tell... with JGB and Jerry with his other project.. *pref. Legions of Mary and The Garcia & Saunders band....* he shines brightly as the true guitarist he is... end of story

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cause alot of the times in the dead bobby and jerry are fighting with mickey and bill for spotlight


That's ridiculously unfair to make that claim and personally I love when they try to out do each other(if that's really their intentions) it generated some intense moments.

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I think they were just pushing each other a little, not trying to "out do"..... Actually, I think it is mostly Phil who pushes Jerry during jams........PEace
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i actualy prefer JGB and Jerry with various musicians over the dead.... cause alot of the times in the dead bobby and jerry are fighting with mickey and bill for spotlight... and you can tell... with JGB and Jerry with his other project.. *pref. Legions of Mary and The Garcia & Saunders band....* he shines brightly as the true guitarist he is... end of story


I think I know exactly where you are coming from catunderthestars.
Although, I would turn it around and say that the musicians seem to wear their craft much more comfortably in Jerry's side projects than they do in GD.
There is more of a quite confidence and relaxed authority about their playing. They don't seem to feel that they have to try so hard like GD seem to do on occasions.

There is also more space.
I never did get the two drummer thing, it just clutters things up in my opinion.
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skobud wrote:
I think they were just pushing each other a little, not trying to "out do"..... Actually, I think it is mostly Phil who pushes Jerry during jams........PEace


I agree with Phil but also the keyboard player whether it be Keith, Brent, or Vinny. This rule also applies for JGB and side projects.
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me GD and JGB are complementary ... when I take off some time from the GD I like to take a listen to Jerry solo projects.

But this is all I listen to the last 3 years:

1. GD
2. Dylan
3. Jerry solo projects
4. PL&F - RatDog
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I just listened to the 1980 Keane College release so this colors my perceptions since I haven't listened to much JGB in recent years. But with JGB (at least 1980 on, I would say) Jerry is everywhere, all over everything; the Dead have long jams, whereas the JGB have long guitar solos more than jams. So you get a whole lot of what you want from Jerry. But at the same time the songs are a little more boring and because there isn't as much of a band dynamic when it comes to jamming--or at least it's more conventional jamming--it is less interesting to hear a 15 minute song sometimes. At the same time, however, the Dead stuff also seems more structured in a way since a lot of the JGB songs are just an excuse for Jerry to blow. He was more tentative at times with the Dead but also more exploratory.

A lot of the JGB (and other side project) lineups were clearly much more competent than the Dead; just listening to them do those two Hunter songs they probably almost never played, I thought if the Dead were doing that, it's most likely be a train wreck. At the same time the Dead were bigger, more exciting, more interesting, and greater, even if they were frustratingly bad so much of the time. Basic competence really wasn't their strong suit, as ridiculous as that sounds to say about my favorite band.

The keyboard sounds Ozzie Ahlers uses on that 1980 release are totally yucky, by the way.
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I lost count of how many Jerry shows I went to. I saw three of them before I saw my first Grateful Dead show, so coming on the heels of the GD hiatus in 1975 I was completely floored to attend JGB. This was also concurrent with the same time that Reflections was released.

The next time I saw JGB was 1980, and for the next 5 years I probably attended 50-100 more. When I wasn't on a western leg of a GD tour, it seemed Jerry was scheduled somewhere in the bay area - sometimes with only a day or so notice. It was nothing less than total luxury. $7 dollars a pop too. You'd see three or four shows in a row, and suddenly you would read in the "Pink Section" of the S.F. Chronicle that 5 more shows were added to the circuit. This happened with regularity for five years. It got to the point that we were anxious for an East Coast GD tour to end so we could:
A. Get the new tapes
B. Hit a new batch of Jerry shows

The JGB tapes do not capture the magic of the shows themselves. For one, Garcia had the habot of always playing LOUD...and in these small club venues it was not neccesary to add him to the PA mix, so on SBD tapes he is usually very distant in the mix, and on AUD tapes he can sometimes distort, or the mix seems imbalanced.

The magic of the shows (for me) was spending the day in line with friends, partying hard, meeting women, and when Garcia took the stage, having the sense that it was in your living room....Steve Parrish used to come out between sets and tell us to remove our beers from the stage. The intimacy between us and Jerry was unlike any experience I have ever had. The GD would never offer such close proximity to the master himself.

As for the trips - they were usually taken after we were already pretty drunk. Jerry would NEVER take the stage before 11 pm. So it was a very late night psychedelic journey, that would inevitably result in a dosed-to-the gills parking lot, and drive home at 2 am, when we were forced by club management to leave the building.

I will now be open to taking any questions. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I lost count of how many Jerry shows I went to. I saw three of them before I saw my first Grateful Dead show, so coming on the heels of the GD hiatus in 1975 I was completely floored to attend JGB. This was also concurrent with the same time that Reflections was released.

The next time I saw JGB was 1980, and for the next 5 years I probably attended 50-100 more. When I wasn't on a western leg of a GD tour, it seemed Jerry was scheduled somewhere in the bay area - sometimes with only a day or so notice. It was nothing less than total luxury. $7 dollars a pop too. You'd see three or four shows in a row, and suddenly you would read in the "Pink Section" of the S.F. Chronicle that 5 more shows were added to the circuit. This happened with regularity for five years. It got to the point that we were anxious for an East Coast GD tour to end so we could:
A. Get the new tapes
B. Hit a new batch of Jerry shows

The JGB tapes do not capture the magic of the shows themselves. For one, Garcia had the habot of always playing LOUD...and in these small club venues it was not neccesary to add him to the PA mix, so on SBD tapes he is usually very distant in the mix, and on AUD tapes he can sometimes distort, or the mix seems imbalanced.

The magic of the shows (for me) was spending the day in line with friends, partying hard, meeting women, and when Garcia took the stage, having the sense that it was in your living room....Steve Parrish used to come out between sets and tell us to remove our beers from the stage. The intimacy between us and Jerry was unlike any experience I have ever had. The GD would never offer such close proximity to the master himself.

As for the trips - they were usually taken after we were already pretty drunk. Jerry would NEVER take the stage before 11 pm. So it was a very late night psychedelic journey, that would inevitably result in a dosed-to-the gills parking lot, and drive home at 2 am, when we were forced by club management to leave the building.

I will now be open to taking any questions. Laughing


Thanks for your interesting explanations of the context of Jerry shows in the 80s.

I do have a question: you say that both the auds and the sdbs do not capture the true "sound" of the JGB! But what is in your opinion the best "officiali" or "unofficial" source as far as "capturing" the true sound is concerned?

What about the acoustic shows? Which one have had more impact on You? The Jerry / Kahn duets or the Jerry /Grisman shows?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good morning tizi! I think it is very much trial and error in terms of the best sounding tapes that truly "Capture the experience". I am sometimes floored by the quality of a master recording, then again, I am very often disappointed. I collect them all, give a listen, and if it's not doing it for me, I take it off and grab another. In terms of SBDs, the Legion of Mary tapes are robust, but for my money, the Reconstruction sbds are the finest, and most consistant in terms of audio quality. In the 80's there aren't many SBDs I can recall that stand out.

Garcia & Kahn acoustic are depressing to me due to Jerry's poor health. Garcia & Grisman seemed much more interesting, and FUN.

I'll share this here, and please folks - don't be offended, or take me to task, because it is just my own opinion as a Deadhead and musician. I think John Kahn was a poor bass player, who had issues staying in tune, a poor sense of melody, and was along for the ride because he was Jerry's "yes man" in terms of drugs. I think he did little more than keep tempo. Some high points for sure (Early-Mid 70's, Reconstruction), but I think he did very little to inspire Garcia after 1980 or so. There. I said it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't really evaluated Kahn carefully in a while, but I was listening to the Keane College release a week or so ago and I think it is well-nigh indisputable that the bass playing on there is pretty spectacular. Maybe he peaked and then went downhill again? Anyway I'd be surprised if anyone could listen to that release and diss the bass playing.
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