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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Road Trips 4.2 Hyperbole Reply with quote

From a dead.net pre-release e-mail:

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Indeed, 1988 was a fantastic year for the Dead, with some of the band’s most explosive and energetic playing, as the whole band rose to meet Garcia in his return to absolute peak form. This “high” washed over into 1989—a year that has been extensively documented with official releases in part because the band recorded so many shows on multi-track tape and multi-camera video (Downhill From Here,Truckin’ Up to Buffalo,Nightfall of Diamonds, the recent Formerly the Warlocks box). But 1988 has, curiously, been largely ignored, save for a single official download-only release many years ago of the epic 3/27/88 Hampton show. What gives? It’s certainly no reflection of the quality of the music from ’88, which most Dead Heads would agree was almost uniformly strong. You’ll find many folks singing the praises of runs at Kaiser, the Centrum, Irvine, Alpine, Frost, the Greek, Alpine, Oxford Plains in Maine, Laguna Seca… just solid stuff all around. Gets me tingly just thinkin’ about it!


Theses nailed to the wooden LSP door for debate: agree or disagree?

1. The Grateful Dead were a fantastic band.

2. 1988 was not, relatively speaking, "a fantastic year for the Dead".

3. Out of the 30 years, 1965-95, there are very few years that are regarded more ho-hummly than 1988. It comes way way down the list.

4. It is a somewhat baffling exaggeration to claim that 1988 saw "...some of the band’s most explosive and energetic playing".

5. It is an almost deceptive stretch to claim that 1988 saw Garcia's "return to absolute peak form".

6. The claim that "1988 has, curiously, been largely ignored" is true in as much as 1988 has been largely ignored, but it is certainly curious to claim that the degree to which 1988 has been ignored is curious.

7. Although "...you’ll find many folks singing the praises of [1988] runs at Kaiser, the Centrum, Irvine, Alpine, Frost, the Greek, Alpine, Oxford Plains in Maine, Laguna Seca [and asserting that it was] just solid stuff all around...", this ignores the fact that "most Dead Heads" are generally enthused and animated by the Grateful Dead producing music that is far superior to "solid stuff" and there are many, many years - other than 1988 - to choose from in which "solid stuff" was transcended on a very regular basis.

8. The popularity of the Dead in the years after Garcia's recovery and the release of In The Dark notwithstanding, the degree to which 1988 has been ignored clearly is a reflection of the quality of the music from that year.

9. The above quoted ad copy is slightly disappointing cheesy hyperbole even if the release it refers to is going to be enjoyable and a welcome addition to the collection.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What show is being released? I have actually been on a 1988 "kick" for a while now, and currently regard it as my favorite year of the late 80s....yes that is correct - favorite year of late 80s, albeit a close call with 1989. Jerry's playing was more ferocious in 1988 than in 1989, and the overall band cohesion was better in 1988 than in 1987. So I would say that 1988 is where the raw energy of 87 molded with the melodic beauty of 1989.

Unfortunately not every show in 1988 was a winner - far from it. There were certainly some losers, but the same can be said for 1987 and 1989. Most of Spring 1989 was very mediocre, and the same can be said for Fall 1988. 1989 had a strong Summer and Fall, where 1988 had a strong Spring and Summer. 1987 I feel was pretty weak overall with some moments of Garcia greatness sprinkled in from time to time.

So actually I don't disagree too much with the praises for the underdog year known as 1988.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4/1/88 in it's completion and parts of 3/31/88.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
So actually I don't disagree too much with the praises for the underdog year known as 1988.


Interesting. So then, how would you answer the question that the warranted-praises/puff-piece poses:

"1988 has, curiously, been largely ignored, save for a single official download-only release many years ago of the epic 3/27/88 Hampton show. What gives?"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Road Trips 4.2 Hyperbole Reply with quote

Soeharto1 wrote:
Theses nailed to the wooden LSP door for debate: agree or disagree?

1. The Grateful Dead were a fantastic band.

2. 1988 was not, relatively speaking, "a fantastic year for the Dead".

3. Out of the 30 years, 1965-95, there are very few years that are regarded more ho-hummly than 1988. It comes way way down the list.

4. It is a somewhat baffling exaggeration to claim that 1988 saw "...some of the band’s most explosive and energetic playing".

5. It is an almost deceptive stretch to claim that 1988 saw Garcia's "return to absolute peak form".

6. The claim that "1988 has, curiously, been largely ignored" is true in as much as 1988 has been largely ignored, but it is certainly curious to claim that the degree to which 1988 has been ignored is curious.

7. Although "...you’ll find many folks singing the praises of [1988] runs at Kaiser, the Centrum, Irvine, Alpine, Frost, the Greek, Alpine, Oxford Plains in Maine, Laguna Seca [and asserting that it was] just solid stuff all around...", this ignores the fact that "most Dead Heads" are generally enthused and animated by the Grateful Dead producing music that is far superior to "solid stuff" and there are many, many years - other than 1988 - to choose from in which "solid stuff" was transcended on a very regular basis.

8. The popularity of the Dead in the years after Garcia's recovery and the release of In The Dark notwithstanding, the degree to which 1988 has been ignored clearly is a reflection of the quality of the music from that year.

9. The above quoted ad copy is slightly disappointing cheesy hyperbole even if the release it refers to is going to be enjoyable and a welcome addition to the collection.

1) agree
2) agree
3) disagree, I would say it is a mediocre year, but not nearly as ho-hum as several others...
4) agree, energy is not something I think of when I think of 88...
5) uncommitted... I tend to favor the idea that this is the year the band was gelling better, whereas in 89 Garcia was personally excelling more...
6) disagree
7) agree, see answer to number 3
8) agree
9) AGREE

I am glad that 4/1/88 is getting released, as it was solid. As Swami points out, Spring/Summer 88 had some great stuff in it... June 88 in particular has several great shows... HOWEVER, overall, the year rarely blows my socks off.
That being said, Swami showed me a show, I want to say it was 4/8/88, and it was so in sync, so tight, it immediately entered my top shows ever list.
And, Spring 88 did have some lightning Gar...

I, as a protestant, appreciated the 95 theses approach, Soeharto1!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will streach the discussion a bit: I hate those Road Trips editions!!!

I will do the numbering thing:

1. The concept of the numbering Vol (something) Numb. (something), meaningh the Volume per year and the Number per edition ... in other words some needles way to make the slow running brain of mine impossible to remember (a) the number of the Volume and/or Number (b) the date of the sho/shows that match to the before mentioned Volumes!!!

2. The selections of the shows!!!!!!!!! We get some kind of retro "albums" whichmeans we will hardly see some official releases of full shows ....

3. I hope this concept to be changed as soon as possible BLAHH ... in one edition of the Road Trips (obviously I can't remember which) I hve seen a Charlie Miller fixof the mess that Rhino did in the mixing the tapes!!!

4. HAD A BAD DAY AT WORK: my goofy employee have huretd himself in the eyes in the most hilarious way: we work in the office when this morning he heard a weird sound near the table so he went to see what it was. He saw the authomatic desodorant for offices (we have a device that pushes a light flavour out in the office each 5 minutes). as I said he had no idea what it was so he took the device and whatched in the hole where the porfume gets kicked out with hi left eye from a 1 centimeter distance the very moment the perfume has been released, so he got some injury in the eye, notthing serious but he has to have some special medicine for his eye. I MEAN WHAT THE [CENSORED] ....

5. Rhino .... [CENSORED] you

The number 4. is unrelated to the thread just as the logic behind the Road Trips thing .....

Now i'm leaving I have to make some push ups ... whatever

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm ok with 88. I think it has some good runs, which you pounted out. I'll add the New Years run in there too. The shows I saw that year were fun and energetic with some new tunes coming in. I think this year gets overlooked a bunch. There is not as much jamming, but when they did jam it was more precise and focused.

I also think this release was an attempt to get some of the 80's staples released . China>Rider, Estimated>Eyes, and Scarlet Fire all get a good reprsentation. Those songs were pretty much a solid core of tunes throughout the 80's so it's nice to see them get released in this way.
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I checked it seems that this time it is going to be a FULL SHOW 04/01/88 + a filler ... so I must apologize to Rhino Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Theses nailed to the wooden LSP door for debate: agree or disagree?

1. The Grateful Dead were a fantastic band.

2. 1988 was not, relatively speaking, "a fantastic year for the Dead".

3. Out of the 30 years, 1965-95, there are very few years that are regarded more ho-hummly than 1988. It comes way way down the list.

4. It is a somewhat baffling exaggeration to claim that 1988 saw "...some of the band’s most explosive and energetic playing".

5. It is an almost deceptive stretch to claim that 1988 saw Garcia's "return to absolute peak form".

6. The claim that "1988 has, curiously, been largely ignored" is true in as much as 1988 has been largely ignored, but it is certainly curious to claim that the degree to which 1988 has been ignored is curious.

7. Although "...you’ll find many folks singing the praises of [1988] runs at Kaiser, the Centrum, Irvine, Alpine, Frost, the Greek, Alpine, Oxford Plains in Maine, Laguna Seca [and asserting that it was] just solid stuff all around...", this ignores the fact that "most Dead Heads" are generally enthused and animated by the Grateful Dead producing music that is far superior to "solid stuff" and there are many, many years - other than 1988 - to choose from in which "solid stuff" was transcended on a very regular basis.

8. The popularity of the Dead in the years after Garcia's recovery and the release of In The Dark notwithstanding, the degree to which 1988 has been ignored clearly is a reflection of the quality of the music from that year.

9. The above quoted ad copy is slightly disappointing cheesy hyperbole even if the release it refers to is going to be enjoyable and a welcome addition to the collection.
1. Agree
2. Agree - it was an uneven year.
3. Agree
4. Agree - sometimes it was very energetic and explosive, sometimes it was indifferent, and mid-late 88, the drumming was disjointed and clunky.
5. Agree - Summer 89 was when it suddenly burst forth.
6. Agree (I think) It is a little confusing.. Confused
7. Not sure if I agree or disagree as your "question" is hard to follow, but there was some solid stuff in 88, a few amazing shows, but also some real clunkers and/or predictable shows where it is almost explosive, but not quite. I saw around 20 or so shows that year - 1st Kaiser run was DOGSHIT, 2nd one was OK (one good show, 1 bad, one OK) Alpine except for the Blackbird night was not so great, and the first Frost show was a "paper tiger".
Hampton, Brendan Byrne, 1st and 2nd nights Irvine, Laguna Seca, 1st and 3rd nights at Greek, Oxford and some scattered shows in the Spring and Fall are good. Actually I really like the Chicago shows that year - also 4/8 is smokin.
8. Somehwat disagree - It has been ignored in terms of official releases because there is better stuff out there from other years. There is good stuff from 88 for sure, but better than 89-91? No IMO. I mean 83, 84, 86, 87, 88, 92-95 have also been largely ignored - 94-95 I think for obvious reasons, but there are scads of excellent shows from all those years. Has there ever been a release from 84??

9. agree

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I added the quotes for you duderino... I guess when you quoted they dropped out somehow. It was making me crazy, so I fixed it... and added subliminal images of penises in the background too small for the naked eye to detect, but large enough for the brain to subconsciously notice (a la "Fight Club").
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Kochman wrote:
I added the quotes for you duderino... I guess when you quoted they dropped out somehow. It was making me crazy, so I fixed it... and added subliminal images of penises in the background too small for the naked eye to detect, but large enough for the brain to subconsciously notice (a la "Fight Club").

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny none of you guys think of 88 as high energy in general...I've never spent a lot of time with the year, but from my small sampling I've always thought of it as extremely high energy, and this is borne out by this release which is amped as fuck...but I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just surprised.

We should have a thread about how the drummers sucked...the drummers sucked.
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Wait, not when they were hitting electric drums, circa 1988!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they did not [CENSORED] at all times in all respects. But I'm not sure I'm hip to the electric drums...when and where?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
Well, they did not [CENSORED] at all times in all respects. But I'm not sure I'm hip to the electric drums...when and where?

1988 is, if not 87, the beginning of the use of the electric drum. It is used quite often, generally in the jammier segments.
To describe the sound, I would say it sounds more amplified and hollow than the regular drum, clearly a modified sound though, not your regular drum sounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the boomy tom sound on Fire on the Mountain from 3-27? That's certainly a pronounced drum sound although I didn't think it were electrified...
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bzfgt wrote:
Is that the boomy tom sound on Fire on the Mountain from 3-27? That's certainly a pronounced drum sound although I didn't think it were electrified...

Can't recall... They sometimes broke out what Swami calls the "laser gong" or something like that in 87, which may be the sound you are referring to.
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