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Best latter day Dark Star?
10-9-89
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10-16-89
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10-26-89
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12-31-89
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3-29-90
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7-12-90
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9-20-90
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10-20-90
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11-1-90
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12-12-90
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Best Latter Day Dark Star? Reply with quote

Which one? Which?

Actually, there's so many I ran out of typing energy after 1990. So the rest is 'other.' But I assume the answer for most of us will come from 89 or 90.

Before typing this I hadn't realized that three DSs I saw were the only ones in that time period--3-29, 7-12, and 9-20-90. That's some good luck.

I think probably 9-12-90, but 10-16-89 will always have a special place in my heart so I didn't vote.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3-29-90, will i again stand alone with this opinion? stay tuned to find out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the 32 times they played Dark Star (after 84) I saw 8 of em.

Hands down, 10-31-91 Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuckin' A, dude, ur a Dark Star magnet! I saw one real one (12/31/89) and one awesome instrumental quickie (8/17/91: The one-minute version that leads into Dew).

I voted for 7/12/90 because I'm a sucker for Garcia's more highly structured and melodious outings. 10/26/89 is a close 2nd, but I'm not a big fan of latter-day breakdown/chaos jams.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10/26 edges out 7/12 for me because of the insanity at the end. As inventive as they were, the freeform breakdowns could get a tad formulaic at times -- both the 73-74 era meltdowns and the latter day sliding-off-the-edge-into-chaos jams. Kind of like the 12/2/73 Playing in the Band (or, dare I say it, the 12/6/73 DS), the 10/26 DS goes through all the usual motions then blazes full speed ahead into a dark netherworld that was never reached in quite the same way before. It absolutely floors me every time I hear it. 7/12 is absolutely magical and epic, but it doesn't rewire me quite like 10/26 does.

I quite enjoy 10/16/89, fwiw. Never understood the animosity some folks have for that show Confused

I really need to give 3/29 a serious relistening, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw 6 if you count 6-17-91, 5 otherwise...I can't complain, but I can't match 8! That's wild.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
Fuckin' A, dude, ur a Dark Star magnet! I saw one real one (12/31/90) and one awesome instrumental quickie (8/17/91: The one-minute version that leads into Dew).


My first one was exactly one year previous to yours, and 12-31-90 was my second.


I didn't even count the 8-17-91 as a real DS, or I would have to say 9 out of 33; You should have been there the night before; first set dark star and scarlet>victim>fire! Cool

That was one smoking Dew though!

I guess if you want to get technical, 12-12-90 and 12-14-90 were only half Dark Stars, first verse 12th and second verse 14th...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigh. My only shows were in '94, officially out of the box for any Dark Stars Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boxorain wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
Fuckin' A, dude, ur a Dark Star magnet! I saw one real one (12/31/90) and one awesome instrumental quickie (8/17/91: The one-minute version that leads into Dew).


My first one was exactly one year previous to yours, and 12-31-90 was my second.


I didn't even count the 8-17-91 as a real DS, or I would have to say 9 out of 33; You should have been there the night before; first set dark star and scarlet>victim>fire! Cool

That was one smoking Dew though!

I guess if you want to get technical, 12-12-90 and 12-14-90 were only half Dark Stars, first verse 12th and second verse 14th...


Turns out we were at a lot of the same shows (not surprisingly Laughing ). I was posting from my iPod earlier and suffered from several brain cramps plus a severe disconnection from my external memory banks. I was NOT at NYE '90, but instead was, same as you, at NYE '89. I also caught the Denver '90 Dark Stars, plus the 8/16/91 DS in the 1st set (weird). Last, and certainly least, I was present for, but failed to actually hear, the Denver DS on 6/28/91.

So that kind of makes 6. I feel like I'm on steroids. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since it was all tied up, I had to vote for 7-12-90 since I think that actually was the best one. I never thought I'd vote for that one...I definitely enjoyed it the least out of any I saw. The sound was really low at that damn show. For some reason, finding somebody else who was at that show and who wasn't in front of the sound board is like finding someone who voted for Nixon, though...everyone had a good time but me, and the 35,000 other suckers who've since sank into anonymity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, from 1.3 to six in the space of a couple hours...not bad! Maybe I can suddenly remember having front row seats 5-8-77 (I was already nine, it's possible...)

Oh well, maybe not. Listening to a lot of Dead again does bring back memories of the details of some shows that were almost lost, though...that's almost as good, I suppose...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw the stats on 8-17-91...one minute 18 seconds. What douches! Somebody could have gotten hurt.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great thread!!! This is hands down one of my favorite songs, and this thread has gotten people to talk about some live experiences. Thank you!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last, and certainly least, I was present for, but failed to actually hear, the Denver DS on 6/28/91.


You must elaborate...

Unconscious?

Temporarily out of this dimension?

In the back with the Birkenstock chick?

How did you miss Halloween 91? Confused

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow, from 1.3 to six in the space of a couple hours...not bad! Maybe I can suddenly remember having front row seats 5-8-77 (I was already nine, it's possible...)

Oh well, maybe not. Listening to a lot of Dead again does bring back memories of the details of some shows that were almost lost, though...that's almost as good, I suppose...


Pretty bad, eh? If it wasn't for extensive note-taking over the years I'd be lucky to remember anything at all.

Forgetting about the Denver '90 Dark Stars was pretty lame. That first night, featuring the Iko > DS > Terrapin trifecta was fantastic. Forgetting the 8/16/91 Dark Star was a little more understandable, for me at least. I thought it was a lame stunt at the time, and I would rather have seen a solid Bird Song.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10-31-91
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I was in DC and when i got the message I thought of 2 things, I thought of my son going over a cliff and Bill Graham sending 1000 bucks. Put a thing on the hill, it points in all directions in Oregon so you can always find your direction on top of that hill. I thought of one more thing, its a little heavy, but that is what it is about. Nobody else reaches across the distance and puts their hand upon your shoulders about this shit. I mean this has been going on a long time reaching across!!! When you guys you played Brokedown Palace, at that gig I knew ,shit, this is the Grateful Dead telling me about my son. This is as big as time as it gets and old Bill knew it, oh he knew it, he knew it!!!!

And the other thought, the second thought, the warrior thought, the hard thought, the final thought. Which is that we ain't many, in any given situation there is always going to be more dumb people then smart people we need many!!! And the second thought was this poem by EE Cummings, Simple Old Barn that goes....Buffalo Bill is defunct!!!! Jesus he was a handsome man. He used to ride on a white horse and shot clay pigeons 1,2,3,4,5 just like that. And what I want to know is how do you like your blue eyed boy now Mr. Death?!
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Zephyr wrote:
Last, and certainly least, I was present for, but failed to actually hear, the Denver DS on 6/28/91.


You must elaborate... Unconscious? Temporarily out of this dimension? In the back with the Birkenstock chick? How did you miss Halloween 91? Confused


I missed Halloween 91 by living in El Paso at the time. Oops. But I did make a point of flying up to catch the Bill Graham Memorial show two weeks later. (I enjoyed the CSNY set more than the Dead's).

Not hearing the DS in Denver '91 is hard to explain. I was there. I thought I was listening. I was obviously preoccupied. Another oops. Rolling Eyes I only became aware that it had occurred many years later.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just saw the stats on 8-17-91...one minute 18 seconds. What douches! Somebody could have gotten hurt.


Actually, in a strange way this was the best Dark Star I saw. I had taken something called "LSD" earlier in the afternoon and the second set had become a wild phantasmagorical kaleidoscope of rich, thundering sound. The He's Gone went off into the most fantastic realms of jamming. The Gone Jam > Drums > Space was one unending organic whole that led, miraculously, into Dark Star, and the Dark Star opened the door to Morning Dew. I literally thought I had died and gone to heaven.

I was extremely surprised, when I finally got a tape of the show, to discover that the drums section was actually just, well, drums.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sigh. My only shows were in '94, officially out of the box for any Dark Stars Sad

Actually, wasn't the last Star, 1st Verse only, played on 3/30/94.

I went with 7/12/90... since I first heard it, it has been the one. Just amazing "space" feel without getting all obtuse and spacey like a 12/6/73 for example.

Runners up were 10/16/89 and 10/26/89.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the stats on 94:

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Atlanta 3/30/94: 10:21

I assumed he meant his first show was later in 94 than the last one, but yes, two Dark Stars in 94.
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Miami.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Miami one is pretty crazy. That and 7/12/90 are tops.
Another one I like is 9/26/91 Boston. Actually the whole show is pretty damn good.
Jack Straw ; Cold Rain And Snow ; Wang Dang Doodle ; Candyman ; Mexicali Blues > Cumberland Blues ; Picasso Moon ; Box Of Rain

Dark Star [16:04] > Saint Of Circumstance > Eyes Of The World > Drums > Space > The Other One > Dark Star [6:40] > Attics Of My Life > Good Lovin'
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Duderino wrote:
The Miami one is pretty crazy. That and 7/12/90 are tops.
Another one I like is 9/26/91 Boston. Actually the whole show is pretty damn good.
Jack Straw ; Cold Rain And Snow ; Wang Dang Doodle ; Candyman ; Mexicali Blues > Cumberland Blues ; Picasso Moon ; Box Of Rain

Dark Star [16:04] > Saint Of Circumstance > Eyes Of The World > Drums > Space > The Other One > Dark Star [6:40] > Attics Of My Life > Good Lovin'
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ok....i listened to all the dark stars on this list at work today and then started this show.....weird Shocked voted 7/12/90 with 10/26/89 right behind it
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I listened to that Boston Garden DS a year ago and it bored the [CENSORED] out of me. I have to give it another shot.

Part of the reason Miami seems a little less powerful is that it breaks up into a space. If it had come back together and the theme had been reintroduced at the end, the space would have been more powerful...something about space, a lot of it is about placement and context...but it is a great moment nonetheless. What I love about the RFK is it goes way out and instead of dissipating into drums, they reel it all the way back in. I remember thinking at the time, "This sounds like it would be the greatest show ever if I could only hear it..." Well, enough years have gone by that I can listen to it without sour grapes.
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Part of the reason Miami seems a little less powerful is that it breaks up into a space. If it had come back together and the theme had been reintroduced at the end, the space would have been more powerful...something about space, a lot of it is about placement and context...but it is a great moment nonetheless. What I love about the RFK is it goes way out and instead of dissipating into drums, they reel it all the way back in. I remember thinking at the time, "This sounds like it would be the greatest show ever if I could only hear it..." Well, enough years have gone by that I can listen to it without sour grapes.


Well said. The placement of the verses in the midst of the jams makes a big difference in my appreciation of different Dark Stars. This is what I was trying to articulate with my comment about 7/12/90 being "more highly structured." The long wait for verse one, plus the placement of verse two after the space section instead of before, make this a superior version (to my taste). Miami would have been improved had they bumped the 2nd verse to a post-space placement.

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3-9-92 is a pretty good Dark Star. Dark Star really begins pretty much right after Corrina. The track is called Jerryless Jam. Bruce has the lead here, then Jerry returns and takes the helm as the band dives into Dark Star. A pretty fun one. I think this one can stand up next to the already mentioned ones.
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3-9-92 is a pretty good Dark Star. Dark Star really begins pretty much right after Corrina. The track is called Jerryless Jam. Bruce has the lead here, then Jerry returns and takes the helm as the band dives into Dark Star. A pretty fun one. I think this one can stand up next to the already mentioned ones.


Kinda sounds like Jerry couldn't stand Corrina either; probably had to run backstage and burn a line off some tin foil to ease his mind, and then trip off into Dark Star...

Plausible anyhow.

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Regarding your sig line, dogstarz: I'm pretty sure it's "Lost one round but the prize wasn't anything..." as in a prize fight, hence "one round."

If anybody in the band hated Corrina, they sure had a funny way of showing it...it seems like they played that every ten minutes, and often nestled next to friends like Wave to the Wind, Way to Go Home, Easy Answers, etc....ugh, it gives me the cold sweats just thinking about it.
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really only one for branford at nassau?
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Okay they arnt't options in the poll and i'm really not a Dark Star head,. but I really enjoy 12/31/78 and 1/20/79.

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really only one for branford at nassau?


Well considering there are 13 poll options and only 12 votes so far, Nassau is doing slightly better than average with 1 vote.

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