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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: And God Said: Let There Be Playin' > UJB > Playin' Reply with quote

This combo is one of the brightest jewels in the Dead's lustrous combo-crown. Let's examine its history....

The biggest surprise for me in doing this research was discovering that there are only 9 versions of this medley that do not involve either additional songs or a drum session:
11/1/73: It first appears in an era that is widely considered a pinnacle for the band.
12/1/73
6/30/74: The last one for a long time.

6/26/88: Itís Baaaack!
9/5/88
9/15/88
10/9/89
10/25/89
6/23/90
Sadly, the combo goes to the grave with Brent.

Here are the 15 versions that are punctuated by additional songs or a drum session:
11/10/73: P > UJB > Dew > UJB Reprise > P Reprise
11/17/73: P > UJB > Dew > UJB Reprise > P Reprise
3/23/74: P > UJB > Dew > UJB Reprise > P Reprise

5/19/77: P > UJB > Drums > Wheel > China Doll > P Reprise

9/6/80: P > UJB > Drums > NFA > Wheel > UJB Reprise > P Reprise
10/14/80: P > Drums > Miracle > UJB > Dew > P Reprise
4/8/82: P > UJB > 2 songs > Drums > 2 songs > P Reprise
5/21/82: P > UJB > Drums > W > P Reprise
9/6/83: P > Drums > UJB > P Reprise
10/18/84: P > UJB > China Doll > Drums > P Reprise
5/4/86: P > Drums > UJB > P Reprise
6/28/86: P > UJB > Drums > China Doll > P Reprise
4/13/88: P > UJB > Drums > P Reprise
10/16/89: Dark Star > P > UJB > Drums > 4 songs > P Reprise
12/9/89: P > Crazy > UJB > P Reprise

Compiled at the bottom of this post are all the versions of Playiní into UJB that lack a reprise of Playiní; in the meantime, however, letís look at inside-out versions (UJB > P > UJB Reprise):

There are only two that are exact inversions:
6/8/80: UJB > P > UJB Reprise
3/30/88: UJB > P > UJB Reprise

And two others that add additional songs or a drum session:
7/10/81: UJB > P > China Doll > UJB Reprise > P Reprise
10/12/84: UJB > Drums > P Reprise > UJB Reprise > Dew

And 21 versions of UJB > P that lack a reprise of UJB:
7/1/80: UJB > P > Drums
8/26/80: UJB > P > Drums
10/25/80: UJB > P > Drums
9/18/82: UJB > P > Drums
4/10/83: UJB > P > Drums > Wheel > P Reprise > China Doll
10/21/83: UJB > P > Drums
5/6/84: UJB > 2 songs > P > China Doll > Drums > 4 songs > P Reprise
3/27/85: UJB > P > Drums
9/7/85: UJB > P > Drums
3/21/86: UJB > Terrapin > P Reprise
4/3/86: UJB > P > Donít Need Love
6/20/86: UJB > P > Comes a Time
6/27/87: UJB > P > Terrapin > Drums
7/4/87: UJB > P > Drums
9/19/87: UJB > P > Drums
11/7/87: UJB > P > Terrapin > Drums
6/17/91: UJB > Dark Star Jam > Drums > China Doll > P Reprise
12/28/91: UJB > P > Same Thing > Drums
12/6/92: UJB > P Reprise > Drums
12/17/92: UJB > P Reprise > Drums
6/6/93: UJB > P > Drums
9/28/93: UJB > P > Drums

Here are the 73 versions of P > UJB that lack a return to P Reprise:
12/28/79: P > Drums > UJB
5/15/80: P > UJB > Drums
8/27/83: P > UJB > Drums
4/7/84: P > UJB > Drums
7/15/84: P > UJB > Donít Need Love
4/6/85: P > UJB > Drums
7/1/85: P > UJB > Drums
11/10/85: P > UJB > Supplication
4/9/87: P > UJB > Drums
7/24/87: P > Drums > UJB
9/23/87: P > UJB > Drums
12/27/87: P > UJB > Estimated
3/26/88: P > UJB > Drums
4/8/88: P > Crazy > UJB > Drums
4/23/88: P > Crazy > UJB > Drums
6/19/88: P > UJB > Drums
7/2/88: P > UJB > Terrapin > Drums
7/17/88: P > UJB > Drums
8/26/88: P > UJB > Drums
10/15/88: P > UJB > Drums
4/28/89: P > UJB > Terrapin > Drums
7/10/89: P > UJB > Drums
7/17/89: P > UJB > Moon > Drums
8/19/89: P > UJB > Drums
12/9/89: P > Crazy > UJB > Drums
3/14/90: P > UJB > Drums
3/24/90: P > UJB > Terrapin > MLB > Drums
3/30/90: P > China Doll > UJB > Terrapin
5/5/90: P > UJB > Drums
7/10/90: P > UJB > Drums
7/19/90: P > China Doll > UJB > Drums
9/12/90: P > Crazy > UJB > Drums
9/15/90: P > Crazy > UJB > Drums
9/19/90: P > Ship > UJB > LIG > Drums
10/22/90: P > UJB > Drums
12/8/90: P > UJB > Drums
2/21/91: P > UJB > Terrapin > Drums
3/18/91: P > UJB > Terrapin > Drums
4/7/91: P > UJB > Drums
4/27/91: P > UJB > Drums
5/4/91: P > UJB > Drums
5/11/91: P > UJB > Drums
6/1/91: P > UJB > Drums
9/9/91: P Reprise > UJB > Drums
3/3/92: P > UJB > Wave > Drums
3/18/92: P Reprise > UJB > Drums
5/23/92: P > UJB > Drums
6/11/92: P > UJB > Drums
6/20/92: P > UJB > Drums
1/25/93: P Reprise > UJB > Drums
3/31/93: P > UJB > Drums
6/11/93: P > UJB > Corrina > Drums
6/18/93: P > UJB > Drums
8/27/93: P > UJB > Corrina > Drums
12/8/93: P > UJB > Drums
12/18/93: P > UJB > Drums
3/17/94: P > UJB > Drums
3/27/94: P > UJB > Drums
6/8/94: P > UJB > Drums
6/19/94: P > UJB > Drums
8/4/94: P > UJB > Drums
9/17/94: P > UJB > Corrina > Terrapin > Drums
10/5/94: P > UJB > Drums
10/13/94: P > UJB > Drums
11/29/94: P > UJB > Baba OíRiley > TNK > Drums
12/12/94: P > UJB > Terrapin > Drums
2/20/95: P > UJB > Drums
3/18/95: P > UJB > Drums
3/27/95: P > UJB > Drums
5/19/95: P > UJB > Drums
5/26/95: P > UJB > Drums
6/3/95: P > UJB > Drums

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually Z, if you listen to 10/16/89, it clearly goes back into PITB from UJB before the drums, it is just not listed that way most of the time for some reason...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeph, you are quite insane with these lists, but I love it!!
I saw the 9/5/88 show. That sequence was pretty cool and a hot little show.

These two were such a natural pairing. First time I heard Playin>UJB was the 1980 King Biscuit Flour Hour show from Nassau. Took me 5 years to actually witness one.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually Z, if you listen to 10/16/89, it clearly goes back into PITB from UJB before the drums, it is just not listed that way most of the time for some reason...


Maybe I should have clarified (for all you gear-grinding newbies out there Laughing ): If they don't actually SING it ain't a real reprise. That's a rule you can look up.

And, it would have been too difficult to list all the times they went into a Playin' jam after UJB.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the beginning of the sequence in the 3/23/74, there's a funny false start to Playing. I think this is the show where Bobby announces there's a 40' cockroach in the new sound system and they are going to iron him out right now! Funny shit!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting fact is the degree to which Playin' > UJB (omitting the P Reprise) was a fairly uncommon combo pre-1987. It really doesn't become a staple until 1987-1995.

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Zephyr wrote:
Kochman wrote:
Actually Z, if you listen to 10/16/89, it clearly goes back into PITB from UJB before the drums, it is just not listed that way most of the time for some reason...


Maybe I should have clarified (for all you gear-grinding newbies out there Laughing ): If they don't actually SING it ain't a real reprise. That's a rule you can look up.

Correct...

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Chapter 1 - Why Europe 72 is the Best
Chapter 2 - Why Donna was better than Vince
Chapter 3 - What constitutes a PITB>UJB>PITB
Chapter 4 - Why Brent wasn't as good as Keith
Chapter 5 - Jerry and Drugs
Chapter 6 - Everything Else
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Laughing Laughing Kudos, dude.

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Mine finally came in the mail yesterday, so I can start actually learning about the GD now... you'd think they would've rushed me a copy after all the disinformation I have been subjecting people to!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes nice work Z - always loved this combo, with 4/7/84 being my benchmark. Also they reversed it nicely at times (8/26/80 UJB-Playin).

You mention that Playin-UJB went to the grave with Brent, which is fair, but there are some solid versions to be found in the Vinny Era as well, such as:

12-08-90 Compton Terrace
04-27-91 Silver Bowl
03-03-92 Omni
12-18-93 Oakland Coliseum
09-17-94 Shoreline

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swamiGD80s wrote:
You mention that Playin-UJB went to the grave with Brent, which is fair, but there are some solid versions to be found in the Vinny Era as well, such as...


I meant that the full medley of PITB > UJB > PITB never occurred on Vinny's watch.The simplified PITB > UJB happened more frequently in his era than in any other era.

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Zephyr wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
You mention that Playin-UJB went to the grave with Brent, which is fair, but there are some solid versions to be found in the Vinny Era as well, such as...


I meant that the full medley of PITB > UJB > PITB never occurred on Vinny's watch.The simplified PITB > UJB happened more frequently in his era than in any other era.


Ah yes, true! Never occurred to me.

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FYI: I do this kind of research to help us all pick up chicks. Casually dropping Dead Data in bar conversations always gets them in the sack in record time.

"Didn't I last see you twirling during the last Playin' > Uncle John's > Playin' ever played?"

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Zephyr wrote:
FYI: I do this kind of research to help us all pick up chicks. Casually dropping Dead Data in bar conversations always gets them in the sack in record time.



This needs to be on t-shirt. With "Didn't I last see you twirling during the last Playin' > Uncle John's > Playin' ever played?" and the whole list printed in size 8 font on the back Laughing
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Zeph wrote:
Maybe I should have clarified (for all you gear-grinding newbies out there Laughing ): If they don't actually SING it ain't a real reprise. That's a rule you can look up.

And, it would have been too difficult to list all the times they went into a Playin' jam after UJB.


Here's where it gets difficult, and I've wondered about this before. DeadBase online lists the first Playin Reprise as 10/12/84. Deadlists lists 6/22/76 as being the first. Setlists.net lists 5/19/77 and Setlist.com lists 6/18/83. I consider the reprises out of the '72 jams to be the firsts. However, it still seems that the definition isn't as clear-cut as say, a Truckin Reprise.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a return to the theme, slightly adjusted, is a reprise. Singing is not required, but all singing versions are by definition also reprises. I remember we had a thread about what comprises a reprise, and it is really just a varied return to the theme.

Now, how deadheads list it, that's another story...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
I think a return to the theme, slightly adjusted, is a reprise. Singing is not required, but all singing versions are by definition also reprises. I remember we had a thread about what comprises a reprise, and it is really just a varied return to the theme.

Now, how deadheads list it, that's another story...

I list that as a Playin Jam. IMO Playin reprise is the...reprise, with the "Playin, like a wave upon the sand..." verse.
Also, to answer Chinarider, they list the 1st Playin Reprise as 10/12/84 because I think that was the first time it was played at a show separate from Playin.
Playin was done the night before and they decided to finish it up on the 12th.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinarider79 wrote:
Zeph wrote:
Maybe I should have clarified (for all you gear-grinding newbies out there Laughing ): If they don't actually SING it ain't a real reprise. That's a rule you can look up.

And, it would have been too difficult to list all the times they went into a Playin' jam after UJB.


Here's where it gets difficult, and I've wondered about this before. DeadBase online lists the first Playin Reprise as 10/12/84. Deadlists lists 6/22/76 as being the first. Setlists.net lists 5/19/77 and Setlist.com lists 6/18/83. I consider the reprises out of the '72 jams to be the firsts. However, it still seems that the definition isn't as clear-cut as say, a Truckin Reprise.


I see Duderino got the jump on me, but here's my take on it with added absurd details that glorify my personal experiences....

Here's the progression:
71-72: PITB began and ended with lyrics, but there was never, no matter how long the jam, an interruption of the song with another song or drums.

Late 73 onward: With the arrival of intervening material "Playin' Reprise" became a song all by itself. But (and this is important) because the reprise always occurred at the same show there was no need to refer to the return to lyrics as "Playin' Reprise" because everybody knew what was going on.

10/12/84 and onward: This marks the first time "Playin' Reprise" occurred without a start-up PITB at the same show to kick things off. Thus the "Playin' Reprise" labeling became necessary for clarity.

As for Koch's assertion that a "Playin' Reprise" counts even if no lyrics get sung, I strongly disagree (where's that "Fuck You" thread? Laughing ).

I rest my case on the emotional and visceral response I had when, after being teased for many years by lame "instrumental reprises," the Boys actually brought the Mother Ship back home and sang the reprise at the precise moment that Cosmic Righteousness demanded. BOOM! The difference between an instrumental reprise and a sung reprise is huge.

I was lucky enough to be present for the last PITB > UJB > PITB played (6/23/90), and also caught the "full" PITB they played at Laguna Seca, 7/29/88. I think the full version at Laguna Seca was the first time they had played an uninterrupted PITB since early '77 (4/22/77?). The audience response to them bringing the jam back around to the lyrics was incredible in both instances. An instrumental reprise is small beer.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
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I think a return to the theme, slightly adjusted, is a reprise. Singing is not required, but all singing versions are by definition also reprises. I remember we had a thread about what comprises a reprise, and it is really just a varied return to the theme.

Now, how deadheads list it, that's another story...

I list that as a Playin Jam. IMO Playin reprise is the...reprise, with the "Playin, like a wave upon the sand..." verse.

It is fine you have that opinion, however, by the definition of the word, you are wrong. Reprise need not include singing.

A reprise is simply put: repeat an earlier theme of a composition

Singing is not a requirement, so argue against the english language all you want, BUT, know that you are wrong in the end. Live experiences are not really a requirement, as enjoyable as they may have been.
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I agree with your definition, koch, but I'm not sure I agree with (or, rather, don't understand) what you mean by "theme." The "theme" that's being reprised in a Playin' Reprise is the riff that opens the song and/or the body of the song itself, not just the general theme of a Playin' jam. Right? Just returning the Playin' jam (which in mind is identifiable by being some kind of melodic variation on the Main Ten riff) doesn't really constitute a reprise of the main theme.

Have they ever reprised/finished a Playin' by returning to the body of the song itself but without actually singing the final vocals? That to me would constitute a legit wordless Playin' Reprise.
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Kochman wrote:
Duderino wrote:
Kochman wrote:
I think a return to the theme, slightly adjusted, is a reprise. Singing is not required, but all singing versions are by definition also reprises. I remember we had a thread about what comprises a reprise, and it is really just a varied return to the theme.

Now, how deadheads list it, that's another story...

I list that as a Playin Jam. IMO Playin reprise is the...reprise, with the "Playin, like a wave upon the sand..." verse.

It is fine you have that opinion, however, by the definition of the word, you are wrong. Reprise need not include singing.

A reprise is simply put: repeat an earlier theme of a composition

Singing is not a requirement, so argue against the english language all you want, BUT, know that you are wrong in the end. Live experiences are not really a requirement, as enjoyable as they may have been.
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Baudelaire couldn't have said it better...
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"Playin Reprise" only appears in a setlist of a show in which Playin was not performed. In all same-show reprises, lyrical or not, the setlist will simply read "Playin."

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swamiGD80s wrote:
"Playin Reprise" only appears in a setlist of a show in which Playin was not performed. In all same-show reprises, lyrical or not, the setlist will simply read "Playin."

Interesting point, which leads one to wonder... what the [CENSORED] did the "setlist" makers/writers know?
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Once again for another "Dead for the advanced Deadhead" lesson Zephyr. This is really amazing, and rather thought provoking.

Here is a question, should 4-24-72 Dark Star>MAMU>Dark Star be written as Dark Star>MAMU>Dark Star Reprise? From what I remember the second Star was more of a theme and didn't have lyrics.

Also here is another random thought that pertains to setlist makers, (not including those actually make the setlist, The Grateful Dead). At the end of 3-15-90's Lady With A Fan>Terrapin Station there is a jam on the official release ,Terrapin Limited, called Mock Turtle Jam. Considering this is jam is still technically a part of the Terrapin, was that silly name necessary?
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At the end of 3-15-90's Lady With A Fan>Terrapin Station there is a jam on the official release ,Terrapin Limited, called Mock Turtle Jam. Considering this is jam is still technically a part of the Terrapin, was that silly name necessary?


Given that Lady With a Fan is technically a part of Terrpain, why label it separately? Wink

Terrapain is a suite of music, so maybe someone thought an extended jam warranted a separate name? Maybe it's a marketing idea to draw more attention to the cd's tracklist?

I also suspect that these odd labellings are done on official releases for publishing reasons, or to get some more songwriting credits for Phil, Brent, Billy, Mickey, etc. I remember reading that on 100 Year Hall, the Other One is purposely mislabelled "Cryptical Envelopment" because Garcia was "owed" a songwriting credit for Cryptical appearing on a different official release, but not being labelled as such (and therefore Bobby got the credit for what was Jerry's song). That kind of stuff doesn't matter to heads listening to the music and wondering who the hell came up with names like "Mud Love Buddy Jam" or "Orange Tango Jam" or whatever, but I'm sure it matters a lot to a musician in a band that'a engaged in a lot of collective improvisation, but rarely gets any song credits on their albums.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here is a question, should 4-24-72 Dark Star>MAMU>Dark Star be written as Dark Star>MAMU>Dark Star Reprise? From what I remember the second Star was more of a theme and didn't have lyrics.


That's a good point, but I'm never going to label it that way because I think Dark Star Reprise looks silly Smile

Short justification: There are only two examples of a Dark Star "reprise" that functions as Playin Reprise does, completing the song that was begun in a previous show. Those two would be 12/14/90 (which finishes 12/12) and 12/16/92 (which also finishes 12/12...hmm). You could make a case that this also happens on 8/17/91 (finishing 8/16), except that they don't actually sing the second verse, just play the melody (and Jerry bails in a under a minute anyway, so you could also make a case for just counting this as another Bruce-led DS tease.


Longer justification: Dark Star didn't usually serve as an envelope for other songs in the same way that Playin did, and therefore I don't think we would need a separate "reprise" label for the few times that Dark Star was played in this way. Dark Star was rarely split to include other songs. There's 6/24/70 (DS>Attics>DS>Sugarmag>DS), then a handful of DS>othersong>DS sandwiches from 71 and the one you mentioned from 4/24/72, then 12/31/78 DS>O1>DS (that second DS is teeny and leads right into Wharf Rat, btw). There's one more DS sandwich from 9/20/90, which contains the Playin Reprise that completes 9/19's Playin.

Playin, on the other hand, was routinely opened up to include multiple other songs starting in 76. I imagine that part of the band's conception of Playin was that it could function as an envelope spanning the course of a whole jam or even a whole set. Dark Star (or the rare few Dark Star sandwiches) always felt like a single occurance, not the starting point, ending point, or midpoint of a much larger jam. This happened only twice: 10/16/89 and 9/26/91. 10/16/89 is made even more interesting in this regard, since it overlaps with Playin which also serves the same envelope function in the same set! I suppose you could also say that 6/17/91 sort of has the same purpose, but the opposite effect: instead of book-ending a set, it fills in the cracks.

Otherwise, the rest of the 90's "split" Dark Stars are just Dark Star > drums > space > Dark Star. Those would be the ones from 3/29/90, 10/20/90, 11/1/90, 4/1/91, 9/10/91, and 10/31/91.

So, therefore, there's no need to label a Dark Star Reprise in the same way that we already have a Playin Reprise.


EDIT: I plead guilty to a full-on hijacking of a thread that's entitled Playin>UJB>Playin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there is the Portland 85 show with the reverse Playin. On the J-Card it should read Playin Reprise>Playin in the Band.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's a j-card? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OOOOOPS! Sorry you young un's. A J Card was the piece of cardboard that you wrote the songs on so you knew what you had on each cassette/tape.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just joking, lucas. I remember 'em fondly. I'm young, but not that young Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OOOOOPS! Sorry you young un's. A J Card was the piece of cardboard that you wrote the songs on so you knew what you had on each cassette/tape.


I thought a J card was a person who was only funny when he was stoned. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5/19/77 has an Uncle John Reprise>Uncle John

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5/19/77 has an Uncle John Reprise>Uncle John


This is known as a "Greek" Uncle John's.

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5/19/77 has an Uncle John Reprise>Uncle John


This is known as a "Greek" Uncle John's.

it's all Greek to me Rolling Eyes

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