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Joni Mitchell's little tirade about Bob

 
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Bitter, party of one.
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incredibly arrogant.
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just talkin' shit.
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on to something.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Joni Mitchell's little tirade about Bob Reply with quote

Bob Dylan, that is. You've all probably seen this but here's what she said during an interview with the LA Times...

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LAT: As well, you've had experience becoming a character outside yourself [Mitchell caused controversy when she appeared as an African American male on the cover of her 1977 album, "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"].The folk scene you came out of had fun creating personas. You were born Roberta Joan Anderson, and someone named Bobby Zimmerman became Bob Dylan.

JM: Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JM: ...We are like night and day, he and I.

She is correct here... Bob doesn't suck, she does.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Joni Mitchell's older stuff. Court and Spark is a brilliant album; Blue and Ladies of the Canyon are great too. And her live Miles of Aisles is really good - she had a crack jazz-fusion band backing her on that.

The woman is a talented musician and songwriter. She is kind of a kook and diva though.

I am a huge fan of Dylan's work from the 60's and 70's, but frankly, most of his stuff since the late 70's I can't really get into. Infidels was the last one I liked. His voice now sounds creepy and just does not "do it" for me. In some sense she is right, he is kind of a chameleon. His whole Woody Guthrie persona in the early 60's WAS made up.

I was going to play some Joni Mitchell but it seems to have disappeared off my ipod... Confused

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue is an absolute classic. I dig some of her other stuff too, but that's really the one for me. I think she's acting like a snob.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She jumped the shark in about 1980. I chose "incredibly arrogant" because she lacks all self-awareness and this skews everything for her, from her perception of others to her perception of herself.

I saw a boxed set of her 4 albums from the 80's and, since I wasn't familiar with any of the LPs, I bought it. In the liner notes she goes on and on about how these creative works were her babies that had been stolen from her and smothered by an uncaring monster of a recording company (Clive?). She had finally gotten the rights back and was now proudly re-presenting them to the world.

It was four full albums of dreck. There was not one worthwhile track in the batch.

And the weird thing is that her last release before drying up was a brilliant live double-LP: Shadows and Light. Pat Metheny, Lyle Mays, Michael Brecker and Jaco Pastorius back her up. It's a great album.

She's also probably bitter because Dylan keeps sailing high and packing them in based on unfathomable critical appreciation and a fawningly uncritical fan base. He jumped the shark in 1980, too, but millions of people failed to notice.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She jumped the shark in about 1980. I chose "incredibly arrogant" because she lacks all self-awareness and this skews everything for her, from her perception of others to her perception of herself.

I saw a boxed set of her 4 albums from the 80's and, since I wasn't familiar with any of the LPs, I bought it. In the liner notes she goes on and on about how these creative works were her babies that had been stolen from her and smothered by an uncaring monster of a recording company (Clive?). She had finally gotten the rights back and was now proudly re-presenting them to the world.

It was four full albums of dreck. There was not one worthwhile track in the batch.

And the weird thing is that her last release before drying up was a brilliant live double-LP: Shadows and Light. Pat Metheny, Lyle Mays, Michael Brecker and Jaco Pastorius back her up. It's a great album.

She's also probably bitter because Dylan keeps sailing high and packing them in based on unfathomable critical appreciation and a fawningly uncritical fan base. He jumped the shark in 1980, too, but millions of people failed to notice.


Yeah, that is my take too. Also apparently she has bad stage fright and flips out if anything goes wrong or "gasp!" she is heckled. Apparently some years ago she had a major meltdown at the Baltimore Civic Center and walked off stage after only a few tunes.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Joni Mitchell is hugely underrated and, were she male, would probably be considered a near-equal of Dylan or, say, Paul Simon or Leonard Cohen. I think that, in her prime (basically all of the 70's), she was a far more interesting musician and songwriter. imho, of course. Some days I feel the same about Paul Simon, too. Dylan, however, had a certain I-don't-know-what that captivated people in a different way -- I wouldn't really call it "accessibility," since both Mitchell and Dylan can be pretty opaque, but Dylan just seems to resonate with more people.

Yes, she's kinda nutty at times and definitely much less of an "entertainer" than Dylan is. Yes, she's probably pretty bitter about a lot of things that didn't pan out for her the way they could have. Yes, she can be pretentious. But yes, I do think she's on to something. So much of Dylan is a facade or a persona, and I can't see any way around it -- from before his first album to his radio show right now. Who knows how "authentic" Mitchell is (who can ever really know?), but I understand why she would get pissy with an interviewer who implies she's similar to Dylan because both adapted folksinger stage names when they were 17.

I think this hits the nail on the head:
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She's also probably bitter because Dylan keeps sailing high and packing them in based on unfathomable critical appreciation and a fawningly uncritical fan base. He jumped the shark in 1980, too, but millions of people failed to notice.


As a woman having to live in the shadow of that, I don't blame her.

Hejira has been as big as Blood on the Tracks for me, and Blue and Hissing of Summer Lawns have also been huge albums for me at many different times in my life. Flawed as she is, I have nothing but respect for Joni Mitchell.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickJ wrote:
I think Joni Mitchell is hugely underrated and, were she male, would probably be considered a near-equal of Dylan or, say, Paul Simon or Leonard Cohen. I think that, in her prime (basically all of the 70's), she was a far more interesting musician and songwriter. imho, of course. Some days I feel the same about Paul Simon, too. Dylan, however, had a certain I-don't-know-what that captivated people in a different way -- I wouldn't really call it "accessibility," since both Mitchell and Dylan can be pretty opaque, but Dylan just seems to resonate with more people.

Yes, she's kinda nutty at times and definitely much less of an "entertainer" than Dylan is. Yes, she's probably pretty bitter about a lot of things that didn't pan out for her the way they could have. Yes, she can be pretentious. But yes, I do think she's on to something. So much of Dylan is a facade or a persona, and I can't see any way around it -- from before his first album to his radio show right now. Who knows how "authentic" Mitchell is (who can ever really know?), but I understand why she would get pissy with an interviewer who implies she's similar to Dylan because both adapted folksinger stage names when they were 17.

I think this hits the nail on the head:
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She's also probably bitter because Dylan keeps sailing high and packing them in based on unfathomable critical appreciation and a fawningly uncritical fan base. He jumped the shark in 1980, too, but millions of people failed to notice.


As a woman having to live in the shadow of that, I don't blame her.

Hejira has been as big as Blood on the Tracks for me, and Blue and Hissing of Summer Lawns have also been huge albums for me at many different times in my life. Flawed as she is, I have nothing but respect for Joni Mitchell.


Nothing to disagree with here. Bien pensť.

I should have mentioned that Joni is one of my favorite musicians. Hejira, Hissing of Summer Lawns, and Court and Spark make for an incredible trifecta. I usually reach for Shadows and Light, though, because the Dead have made me a total sucker for live music. Laughing

I have the highest respect for artists who deliver the goods in concert. Joni did it, Dylan did it (if you haven't heard the acoustic disc from "The Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert"). Both of them are the real deal and the full package.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Zephyr"]
nickJ wrote:

I have the highest respect for artists who deliver the goods in concert. Joni did it, Dylan did it (if you haven't heard the acoustic disc from "The Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert"). Both of them are the real deal and the full package.


I am huge fan of Dylan's Bootleg Series 4. That was a Halloween show if I am right and he makes the remark, "I put my Bob Dylan mask on tonight".
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PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Joni Mitchell's little tirade about Bob Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
Bob Dylan, that is. You've all probably seen this but here's what she said during an interview with the LA Times...

Quote:
LAT: As well, you've had experience becoming a character outside yourself [Mitchell caused controversy when she appeared as an African American male on the cover of her 1977 album, "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"].The folk scene you came out of had fun creating personas. You were born Roberta Joan Anderson, and someone named Bobby Zimmerman became Bob Dylan.

JM: Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I.

You should have put this LA Times quote in context. She was being interviewed at the premeir of a on "man" tribute show to the songs of Joni Mitchell. The man" performs Joni's songs, while dressed in drag to look like Joni.
Now what is real and what is fake, Roberta?
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