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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:07 am    Post subject: Bertha Reply with quote

2/15/73 and 5/9/77 (one of the slower ones there) are pretty good Berthas for my taste. There is something with this song that deeply appeals to me.
I believe I read somewhere that this song was inspired by a large old electric fan that would "walk" itself across the room from blowing so hard.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Bertha, but it has never been a preferred song. If I see it pre-drums, I actually get kind of excited, because it is probably going to be pretty energetic, which is key for this song.... nothing bores like a lackluster Bertha...

NYE 87 has a good one... but really not a song I remember when the better versions were played...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1973 and 6/4/78.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

09-26-81 and 11-02-84 are great versions that immediately jump to mind.

Generally the faster the better - I'm not into a slow Bertha at all.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bertha was a great 71 song. I don't think it ever crackled and popped quite like that again. I'm a fan of the raw, up-tempo Bertha. Don't like the 77 versions at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like most of the versions up to 74, when the "Scarletized" it and dont really dig many of the versions from 77-78. Too slow. But pretty much dig this rocker from 79-85. Some versions in later years are real good, but as far as the 2 drummer era, pre-85 is where it is at for me. 9/26/81 Bertha (out of Playin') fucking rocks it out.
Also 4/27 and 6/27/85 are hyper fast rockers. Sure, Jerry skips one of the verses on 6/27 but it doesn't matter.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
Bertha was a great 71 song. I don't think it ever crackled and popped quite like that again. I'm a fan of the raw, up-tempo Bertha. Don't like the 77 versions at all.


Yea, in 71 it had a nice pace and 77 versions are so SLOW, which kills this song for me too. I like the 79 ones too, 11-25-79 is cool with jerry using the shakedown sound on the intro...I Need a Miracle > Bertha, rockin!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chingsinkly wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
Bertha was a great 71 song. I don't think it ever crackled and popped quite like that again. I'm a fan of the raw, up-tempo Bertha. Don't like the 77 versions at all.


Yea, in 71 it had a nice pace and 77 versions are so SLOW, which kills this song for me too. I like the 79 ones too, 11-25-79 is cool with jerry using the shakedown sound on the intro...I Need a Miracle > Bertha, rockin!


The 77's are slow, but they're also really flat. Maybe the worst era for Berthas.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12/31/81 Oakland. I love, love, love the way it comes out of the ashes of Dark Star. I know that isn't a good version of Dark Star but the way Garcia uses the lead notes to steer the band into this Bertha make it stand out to me.

4/17/71 Princeton is another favorite.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree the early versions of this tune are high energy. Always loved it when they opened with it. Great version though from 12/29/77 (DP10) where they open the 2nd set with Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8-10-82 out of Miracle. They hit this one so fast they are almost falling all over each other but they keep it together and blow the roof off.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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snow_and_rain wrote:
Bertha was a great 71 song. I don't think it ever crackled and popped quite like that again. I'm a fan of the raw, up-tempo Bertha.


I really must totally agree with that.
Here are my faves:

    1971/02/20
    1971/08/06
    1971/04/04

The one from 20th February Capitol Theatre is one of the early fledgling versions and it really goes Exclamation
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cantwinfortrying wrote:
8-10-82 out of Miracle. They hit this one so fast they are almost falling all over each other but they keep it together and blow the roof off.

good call on this one
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Agree the early versions of this tune are high energy. Always loved it when they opened with it. Great version though from 12/29/77 (DP10) where they open the 2nd set with Cool

This leads me to put forth a theory I have had for many years. It seems to me that when they opened the 2nd set with Bertha, that was a signal to strap on your helmet and prepare for a wild ride. I will offer an example (in addition to the one listed above) - 10/21/78

Anyone care to list other examples that prove or disprove my theory?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many shows are we talking here? That is the first question... dates?
From what I have heard and can remember, it seems a good theory.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cantwinfortrying wrote:
fillmoreeast wrote:
Agree the early versions of this tune are high energy. Always loved it when they opened with it. Great version though from 12/29/77 (DP10) where they open the 2nd set with Cool

This leads me to put forth a theory I have had for many years. It seems to me that when they opened the 2nd set with Bertha, that was a signal to strap on your helmet and prepare for a wild ride. I will offer an example (in addition to the one listed above) - 10/21/78

Anyone care to list other examples that prove or disprove my theory?


Maybe in the 70's, but in the 80's it could be a sign of a clunker.

04-11-82 Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, N.Y. (Sun)
1: Half Step> Franklin's> El Paso, Candyman> Rooster, Althea> BIODTL, Row Jimmy, Let It Grow
2: Bertha> Samson, Good Times, He's Gone> Truckin> Drumz> NFA> Black Peter> Around> Good Lovin E: Don't Ease

02-17-88 Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center, Oakland, Ca. (Wed)
1: Hey Pocky Way, Desolation Row, Tennessee Jed, Rooster, Cumberland, All Over Now, Box Of Rain> Don't Ease
2: Bertha> Woman Smarter, Ship Of Fools, Estimated> Drumz> Truckin> Black Peter> Sugar Magnolia E: Brokedown

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, Dude. I will admit that I haven't put a lot of thought or research into the theory. Most of my show-attendance and early tape collecting was in the period 1977-1982 and that is when this theory was developed.
So..... Here is a list (part 1 1977-78) of shows with Bertha opeing the 2nd set.
5-5-77
5-9-77
6-8-77
9-3-77
9-28-77
10-6-77
10-14-77
10-29-77
12-29-77
1-13-78
1-17-78
1-27-78
1-27-78
1-30-78
4-12-78
4-15-78
5-5-78
5-10-78
5-13-78
10-18-78
11-14-78
11-17-78
11-21-78
12-12-78
12-27-78
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you see that the Chicago School of Rock did a tribute to the Dead this year? I'm putting this in the Bertha thread because that's the song you can see them doing on the video.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bertha from Veneta is outstanding, imo. Jerry's lead is snappy and he does a subtle shift with the melody when he sings "Bertha don't ya come around here" that really appeals to my ear.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

6/1/91

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand the appeal of the Veneta Bertha, it sounds really sloppy and uninspired to me. But this isn't the first time I've seen it lauded.

I really love '77 Bertha right now, as I love all things '77 right now...two or three months ago I agreed with the diss on this era of Bertha...strange how things can hit you in certain ways at certain times.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FAST FAST BERTHA ................................................ PLEASE!!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
I don't understand the appeal of the Veneta Bertha, it sounds really sloppy and uninspired to me. But this isn't the first time I've seen it lauded.


That goes for lots of songs from that show.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hence my take that the show is overrated... September had some much better shows in my book.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. I would even say way overrated. Although The 'meat' of the show is filet mignon Cool

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Agreed. I would even say way overrated. Although The 'meat' of the show is filet mignon Cool

True, true
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this show. I think I need to listen to it soon. The only problems I have are the SQ, which kinds of warbles at times (or that could be the instruments going out of tune). The vibe of the show is lysergically drenched. The China>Rider is killer and Bertha rocks appropriately.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playing in the Band is absolutely one of the best from that one. Aside from that, nothing stands out for me as "best"-type versions, although I think it's a pretty good show in general, very decent Dark Star etc.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think the Veneta is a bad one, although yes, it is out of tune -- I remember Garcia starting his solo with this ridiculously fast run (for him at least) and wailing pretty hard. 9/28/72 is better though (ditto, with the GSET's).

bzfgt, I remember 6/8/77 Bertha as a fine struttin' specimen, courtesy of what Keith is doing... a real nice one.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculously fast Jerry runs became the standard by the early 80s.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This show has a smokin Bertha to end the 2nd set, and is criminally underrated.
Two of my friends were there and said the stage took up half the floor on the arena.
UVA, Charlottesville, VA 9/14/82
Jack Straw [5:29] ; Peggy-O [6:30] > C C Rider [7:08] ; Big Railroad Blues [4:41] ; El Paso [4:53] ; Bird Song [9:14] ; Lazy Lightnin' [3:21] > Supplication [9:08] ; Deal [6:14]
China Cat Sunflower [6:48] > I Know You Rider [5:35] ; Samson And Delilah [8:23] ; High Time [7:14] ; Estimated Prophet [12:11] > He's Gone [11:27] > Drums > Space [2:56] > Iko Iko [7:53] > Truckin' [6:35] > Black Peter [8:14] > I Need A Miracle [3:07] > Bertha [6:25] Encore Johnny B. Goode
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've called attention to this before but the Bertha from 3/27/86 is pure Jerry fire! I was close to the stage and after the horrible Hamstrung Blues put the place to sleep , Jerry just ripped into Bertha to wake the place up and the show headed in a damn fine direction after that. He just kind of had this [CENSORED] eating grin on his face after Hamstrung, like he knew it was a disaster, and he just kinda took control of things.

Oh and of course a Day Job encore insures that this show kicked ass!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Ridiculously fast Jerry runs became the standard by the early 80s.


Because he was so bored that needed to wake himself up? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, 5-13-77 is a fast Bertha.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be tripping and it might not be quite as fast as I thought...that happens...
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I'm doubting this now...I think I may have just recalibrated myself to 77 speed lately.
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