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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Lame-O Songs (1 per Era) Reply with quote

OK, we all love the Dead, but... there are always songs we despise...

Pigpen Era = Feedback
While not a true song, I never find this interesting. It's more like getting a cavity filled without the numbing.

Keith Era = Looks Like Rain
I can barely manage to listen to these once effects created the storm sounds in the later years. The 70s versions with Donna croaning away are completely uncalled for. Apparently, McCain was forced to listen, on a loop, to every version performed during his captivity as part of the torture he endure.

Brent Era = Women R Smarter
OK, I gotta come out and say it, I can't stand Women R Smarter. Sometimes it is ok, at best, but man. It was played WAY too often in the power slot, which is my primary beef with it. Anywhere in the 2nd set bothers me actually.
Gopher, you mentioned a show from Feb 82 where it ended the 1st set, also a disappointing placement.
I guess they thought this song was better than most of us do.
Runner Up = We Can Run

Vince Era = Wave To The Wind
Good gracious Phil, stop, for the love of all that is holy, STOP! Everytime I hear it, I feel like that guy in "The Wall", at the end of the movie, when he is freaking out in the bathroom.

Bonus Lame-O - Consistently Lame Through The Years = BIODTL
How annoying are the numerous beats to begin the song, that and the pop flavor to it, and in the Donna Era it was particularly bad with Donna's vocals adding insult to injury.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the negative thread!

Pig era - Next time you see me

Keith - I love Looks Like Rain, but almost all of them seem to end to early during this time period, and Bobby does just fine by him self, definitely an 80s/90s song.

Brent - Desolation Row, not huge on most Dylan covers, this is the worst or them.

Vince - Samba in the Rain....

Bonus - Around and Around, way over played, signals the shows about to come to a close, buzz kill.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Love the negative thread!


Just bored man...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was being serious, i've been in a negative mood. And anyone who says they like it all is full of shit.

another bonus pick is Dont ease me in.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't Ease Me In is certainly a cheesefest, though sometimes I can handle it when Jerry particularly rocks it out. Generally... >>

I gotta say, I can live without the 30 minutes marathon versions of Hard 2 Handle...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Music Never Stopped and Jack Straw are two of my favorite songs ,but when it comes to '82-'89, smoking versions are rare.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are not lame songs at all but I do not particularly care for the sped up versions of Eyes and Playin'. Some of these sound like they're in a hurry to get the show finished. Why rush through such a beautiful song like Eyes? Shocked Some of the faster versions are quite good, but others sound like the band has taken bad speed.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These are not lame songs at all but I do not particularly care for the sped up versions of Eyes and Playin'. Some of these sound like they're in a hurry to get the show finished. Why rush through such a beautiful song like Eyes? Shocked Some of the faster versions are quite good, but others sound like the band has taken bad speed.

WHAT?!?

I love the fast versions... sure it is clearly drug induced, but sometimes I don't need mellow beauty, I need notes fusing together in chaos!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Music Never Stopped and Jack Straw are two of my favorite songs ,but when it comes to '82-'89, smoking versions are rare.



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You havent listened to enough versions in the 80's
Check these out:
TMNS - 9/25/81, 10/9/82, 4/23/83, 6/20/83 Shocked , 10/12/84, 11/3/84
J Straw 4/14/82, 9/14/82, 12/28/82, 9/2/83, 10/11/83, 7/6/84, 10/20/84 Shocked Shocked 3/25/85 Very Happy 6/25/85, 4/6/87, 12/27/87, 4/1/88

IMO -
Pig era - Hurts me Too.zzzzzzzz Two Souls in Communion
K&D - Sunrise, Minglewood.
Brent - any of his gay solo songs (all except Far From Me, Tons of Steel, Blow Away and Easy to Love you) - UNless you were there you cant even comprehend how bougs it was to have Dont Need Love or I will take you home ruin the momentun of a 2nd set. Also, 2nd set LL rain's could be a buzzkill. And - CC Rider zzzzzzzzz
Vince - Wave to the Wind, anything sung by Vince and Easy Answers (sorry koch)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:

Vince - Wave to the Wind, anything sung by Vince and Easy Answers (sorry koch)


But dude... promises made in the dark dissolve by light of day
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino,

Trust me, i've listened to almost every version of those songs in the 80's, some I do need to check out again, I will check out all of the ones you mentioned again, most I am familuar with.

Gotta add that the 10/20/84 Jack Straw is boring as fuck. Twisted Evil Great show though.

Best Jack Straw hands down in '83 is 10/18/83. That 9/2/83 doesn't do it at all for me. '87 and '88 Jackies are solid for sure.

Music Never Stopped during '77-'81 and 91-95 versions blow away just about all of them from 82-90, nothings going to change my opinion on that Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, can you name me a version from 95, of TMNS, that is better than the version from Alpine 89?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I can't.
There are def exceptions....just about all of them means, just about all of them. Wink

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Gopher wrote:
Duderino,

Trust me, i've listened to almost every version of those songs in the 80's, some I do need to check out again, I will check out all of the ones you mentioned again, most I am familuar with.

Gotta add that the 10/20/84 Jack Straw is boring as fuck. Twisted Evil Great show though.

Best Jack Straw hands down in '83 is 10/18/83. That 9/2/83 doesn't do it at all for me. '87 and '88 Jackies are solid for sure.

Music Never Stopped during '77-'81 and 91-95 versions blow away just about all of them from 82-90, nothings going to change my opinion on that Smile


Listen to 6/20/83 Music Never Stopped- Bob messes up the words a little, but the jam is long and explosive. Phil bombs, Bob and Jerry trilling. Its the shit.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad

This is the most disturbing thread I've ever seen... so let me go on the defensive immediately:

Feedback? - come on, give em a break.

Women Are Smarter - superb jamming and groove every year it was played. So many great versions...3/30/83 Space-Women-ChinaDoll?! 3/20/92 Shakedown-Women-Darkstar?! 3/16/90 Women-MatildaJam?! The tip of the iceberg.


Wave To The Wind - truly bizarre why this song is hated..great Phil tune with excellent melodies, chord changes, and lyrics...what the [CENSORED] is the problem? get over it - great song.

Samba?! Gopher, Vince rocks the house in Samba..and this is true to the Dead's style of "jam." Great payoff in the chorus..nice MIDI guitar..come on now...excellent 90s tune. Listening to a great version now from 10/18/94.

p.s. LL Rain in Keith/Donna era....well.....there's no defending that. Laughing



Mine?

Pig: We Bid You Goodnight (no instruments)

Keith/Donna: L.L. Rain - for sure.

Brent: C.C. Rider, Hey Jude

Vinny: Around & Around: never the same after Brent.

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LOL at Samba in the Rain defense, can't take that [CENSORED] seriously Swami, sorry Laughing I'd take a '76 LLR anyday.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
Wave To The Wind - truly bizarre why this song is hated..great Phil tune with excellent melodies, chord changes, and lyrics...what the [CENSORED] is the problem? get over it - great song.


The problem is, despite all these great points you make, it doesn't work. It is cheesy, its plastic, and the worst vocals ever from Phil... and this coming from a guy who likes cheesy songs! It must be cheesy like Wisconsin!

I stand by this condemnation. Were it played longer, I would have received a far worse smearing.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like this one needed a bump!
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Well since youa axed!

Dancing in the FUCKING Streets. All eras. No excuse for this song but the 70's and god forbid the lame ass garbage 80's versions make me want to puke.

I had a terrible run of catching a shitload of Looks Like [CENSORED] in the late eighties and I can't stand this song. I always skip them. I can tolerate 1st set LLR, but not second. Though in a stunning reversal, I don't mind the Donna versions at all and LOVE, yes LOVE her voice in those versions.

Dude, I'm with you on the Brent tunes. While I love the same ones you like, there were just too many shows where I Will Take You To Sleep, just sucked the wind right out of the sails and the boys had to struggle mighty hard to pick it back up. Just painful!

As far as some positives.....Jack Straw 10/4/81 my favorite version. Check out the high note Jerrry hits after " and layed his body down" an all time Garcia lick.

I'm just at....at.......at a loss for words on Hard to Handle, Koch. I love the way the boys do it. Have you checked out the version on Fallout From the Phil Zone? Did the Black Crowes ruin the tune for you? I know it had an effect on me as it was on the radio every 5 mins!
Broken Arrow was another piece of crap that hid itself as music. Just bloody awful. Phil's reading of that song is so bad that a root canal gone bad is actually a preferable option. Also since were on topic here, Lazy River Road was a good tune.....When it was BLACK MUDDY RIVER! The rest of the newer crap in the 90's also warrents honarable mention. The shows just stopped in their tracks when they forced these tunes down our throats. I can tolerate Way to Go Home though.

Wow! negativity can be fun! I feel so much better now.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
I'm just at....at.......at a loss for words on Hard to Handle, Koch. I love the way the boys do it. Have you checked out the version on Fallout From the Phil Zone? Did the Black Crowes ruin the tune for you? I know it had an effect on me as it was on the radio every 5 mins!


Yes, no.
Yes, I have the Philzone... and that was precisely the version I was thinking about when I thought of how irritating it was... hearing him crone out "BaaAAbby" again and again just annoys the fucking [CENSORED] out of me!
I have never heard the BCs version... further, I don't think I have even heard a BCs song, because I never listen to the regular radio really... if I do listen to the radio it is 80s music, classic rock, or talk radio (which I gave up as I decided to give up domestic politics completely last week).

Sometimes a bit o' negativity does soothe the nervous system a bit... venting... that is why I created this thread.

I love the Looks Like [CENSORED] comment... and IWTYTS (though I don't agree)... hilarious!
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Good God my spelling sucks! Hooked on phonics didn't works so well for me!

Actually the Crowes have been busting out the Dead covers lately. Cold Rain and Snow is common. They finished a very long awesome tour this year with a run of shows at the Filmore in SF where Mr. Lesh showed up on the final light and they ran through some classics. Sugaree, Rain and Snow and New Speedway. They are worth checking out. If you ever wondered what the Stones circa 69 would have sounded if they had jammed out a little more, you have a good idea. They have also added a very country-ish style as well. Good slide work going on by both guitatrists as well. They are playin a very intimate couple of shows at Levon Helms' barn in upstate NY for a live album release this month.
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Ahh the brothers Robinson can be good at time. Their Hard To Handle was good but overplayed. Have you heard Chris with Phil and Friends. Some good stuff, actually made me go back and listen to the Black Crowes.

Lame List

Pigpen era : Hey Jude (I love 2/11/1969 then comes this train wreck. At first its a novelty then just murder through headphones.)

Keith/Donna: Does Donna count. lol seriously I would have to say LLR.

Brent: Little Red Rooster. Alright this song actually carries over to Vinny as well.

Vinny: Sorry Koch and Swami. Samba gets it from me.

Bonus:Just because I can't believe no one has mentioned Liberty. What a giant overrated piece of [CENSORED] song that was. I remember when Phil's album "There and Back Again" came out. All the buzz was this "new" Hunter/Garcia song. I am sorry it wasn't new when it was released on that album and it still sucked.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Lame-O Songs (1 per Era) Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
OK, we all love the Dead, but... there are always songs we despise...

Pigpen Era = Feedback
While not a true song, I never find this interesting. It's more like getting a cavity filled without the numbing.

Keith Era = Looks Like Rain
I can barely manage to listen to these once effects created the storm sounds in the later years. The 70s versions with Donna croaning away are completely uncalled for. Apparently, McCain was forced to listen, on a loop, to every version performed during his captivity as part of the torture he endure.

Brent Era = Women R Smarter
OK, I gotta come out and say it, I can't stand Women R Smarter. Sometimes it is ok, at best, but man. It was played WAY too often in the power slot, which is my primary beef with it. Anywhere in the 2nd set bothers me actually.
Gopher, you mentioned a show from Feb 82 where it ended the 1st set, also a disappointing placement.
I guess they thought this song was better than most of us do.
Runner Up = We Can Run

Vince Era = Wave To The Wind
Good gracious Phil, stop, for the love of all that is holy, STOP! Everytime I hear it, I feel like that guy in "The Wall", at the end of the movie, when he is freaking out in the bathroom.

Bonus Lame-O - Consistently Lame Through The Years = BIODTL
How annoying are the numerous beats to begin the song, that and the pop flavor to it, and in the Donna Era it was particularly bad with Donna's vocals adding insult to injury.


That's so funny, Kochman because I love Bobby and Donna singing Looks like Rain together. Also, I really like BIODTL :). Just goes to show, you don't ever know...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
Wave To The Wind - truly bizarre why this song is hated..great Phil tune with excellent melodies, chord changes, and lyrics...what the [CENSORED] is the problem? get over it - great song.


The problem is, despite all these great points you make, it doesn't work. It is cheesy, its plastic, and the worst vocals ever from Phil... and this coming from a guy who likes cheesy songs! It must be cheesy like Wisconsin!

I stand by this condemnation. Were it played longer, I would have received a far worse smearing.


Yeah, I don't dig Wave to the Wind either. Also Samba in the Rain is not Good. My biggest Donna era Beef was her wailing during Playin' in the Band.

Brent Era-I did not dig Cheesy to Love You
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Brent Era: Day Job

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Pigpen - Two Souls in Communion, Chinatown Shuffle

Keith&Donna - You Aint Woman Enough, Passenger, Phil and Ned

Brent - lots to pick from, but the fast Eyes makes me cringe and I usually end up skipping past it. I need the slower bounce of pre-76 or post-90. Some runners-up would be Day Job, Never Trust a Woman (aka Good Times Blues), I Will Take You Home.

Vince - it's definintely Samba (sorry), but not a fan of Wave to the Wind or Picasso Moon (I know this started with Brent) either.

Any era - Around and Around....nothing especially offensive, just not my taste

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crickets - Passenger?? damn, I think this song rocked!

One not mentioned. Not Fade Away from about 85 on...4 minutes of perfunctory
"rocking" and then that stupid fucking crowd chant. VOMITOUS.
When they first started doing it in 83, it was kind of cool and different. But jeebus, it got old quick, especially when they stopped kicking out the jams during the tune. Same thing goes for most versions of Lovelight from about 87 on...

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Hold the phone Dude... I can remember... I think it was 7/4/89... some serious back and forth from Jerry & Brent... trading licks.
It might have been another show, but it is an official release video with Brent... that much I am sure of...

I do completely agree with you regarding Passenger... I LOVE that song. Serious Jerome guitar action and Phil bombs like it was 1972 in Hanoi.
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I forgot about those speed NFA's.....or even worse when they went :

mmmBOP! BOP............BOP BOP!!!

Oh jeeebus what a low point! My big fear was that a buch of Rizzo lead greasers would come out of the wings snapping their fingers and they would break into Greased Lightning to close. It took at least 2 full minutes of Baby Blue before the FEAR would subside and I could breath again.
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I forgot about those speed NFA's.....or even worse when they went :

mmmBOP! BOP............BOP BOP!!!

Oh jeeebus what a low point!


Not for a lot of Deadheads. You're definitely in the minority thinking that. Listen to the AUDS -- the kids ate that stuff up! I've gotta believe that 90+% of the people at shows loved the music but they weren't necessarily there for an outstanding musical performance alone. After all, which arena or stadium sounded like a digital Soundboard recording in your ears at home? They (and I) weren't there for that. We were there for fun. The "BOP, BOP, BOP . . . BOP, BOP" was fun.

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Zoooma wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
I forgot about those speed NFA's.....or even worse when they went :

mmmBOP! BOP............BOP BOP!!!

Oh jeeebus what a low point!


Not for a lot of Deadheads. You're definitely in the minority thinking that. Listen to the AUDS -- the kids ate that stuff up! I've gotta believe that 90+% of the people at shows loved the music but they weren't necessarily there for an outstanding musical performance alone. After all, which arena or stadium sounded like a digital Soundboard recording in your ears at home? They (and I) weren't there for that. We were there for fun. The "BOP, BOP, BOP . . . BOP, BOP" was fun.


I love mmmbob, mmmbop, bop bop. It was fun! Know our love will not fade away. Ok this is totally corny, but I get all teary when I hear it. Grateful Dead music moves me in a profound way.

I love all of it, I do, even cheesy Bob and Brent tunes. even Cheesy to love you and I will take you home, even Donna wails, it's alll good stuff. So many of the tunes that have been mentioned are songs that I like. Yes Bigger than a drive in movie ooh wee is totally cheesy but it's fun and hearing makes me feel good.
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lucasmcain wrote:
I forgot about those speed NFA's.....or even worse when they went :

mmmBOP! BOP............BOP BOP!!!

Oh jeeebus what a low point! My big fear was that a buch of Rizzo lead greasers would come out of the wings snapping their fingers and they would break into Greased Lightning to close. It took at least 2 full minutes of Baby Blue before the FEAR would subside and I could breath again.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

That would have made it better! Jerry did seem to enjoy Sha-Na-Na during the Festival Express movie..
Koch - I'm not saying all the NFA's during this era were bad - they could rise to the occasion and rock it out (3/15/90) but mostly it was a little dissapointing, because you knew more often than not they would leave the stage. 10/22/83 and a few other times they went into another tune, but that was the exception..
NFA was always better coming out of drums or another song. Transition into the Jerry ballads always worked.
Zooma and Sugarmag - Sure it was fun, but I got my rocks off when Jerry wailed away on his guitar and NFA was the perfect vehicle for him to let loose, and those later ones he didnt so much.

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When they started singing the mm bop....bop, bop, it was clear that it would be the death of NFA.

Lame-O = Peggy-O!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lame-O = Peggy-O!!!


Someone call an ambulance... I've fallen... and I can't get up!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Gopher wrote:

Lame-O = Peggy-O!!!


Someone call an ambulance... I've fallen... and I can't get up!!!


Indeed. I just had to reach for the nitroglyerine pill.

LOVE Peggy-O, especially the perkier 80's versions. Great traditional story-song.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Peggy-O, too. Hey is that a picture of you, Duderino?
I have to study, I tell ya' this here site provides endless distraction from cataloging, which is the most boring class ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love Peggy-O, too. Hey is that a picture of you, Duderino?
I have to study, I tell ya' this here site provides endless distraction from cataloging, which is the most boring class ever.


Well, if my name is "The Dude" that is a picture of me.
Actually its Jeff Bridges as "the Dude"(or Duderino if your not into the whole brevity thing) in the Big Lebowski, happily driving his car smoking a joint and drinking a beer. I have a Lebowski fixation. cant help it.... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I love the Coen brothers but it's been a longtime since I've seen that movie. I should put it in my Netflix cue.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I cannot believe that I haven't chimed in on this yet...

Pig - Two Souls, Operator

K&D - Passenger, Sunrise (yes, i would rather hear LLR)

Brent - IWTYH - aka Buzzkill City. (i don't care for most of his solo efforts, sorry)

Vin-Vin - Eternity, Samba, Picasso, Knockin, Long Way to Go Home -- Allow me to explain.. I don't exactly hate Picasso, but they played it waaaaaay too much. Same with Knockin ("ugh, not again!"). I really like Vince, but his songs were pretty much all bad.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

donna era dancin' in the streets.
any queen jane or gloria
and long way to go home
not a big fan of '90s versions Stones> NFA either, but I wouldn't say that I despise them.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this thread. Haven't seen as much coming out of the woodwork in a long time...

Pigpen: Let Me In 83968's my Dad; Green Green Grass of Home. Feedback. Kochman's tooth experience without the local anaesthetic sums it up beautifully.

Keith: You Ain't Woman Enough; Sunrise. (Love Donna and Bob on Looks like Rain - especially 1976-06-11. Donna was a downer on PITB most of the time. Actually, an upper might be a better description as it shot me bolt upright whenever she came on with her Oh Yeahs.)

Brent: No real lame ones for me out of this period. Rather enjoyed the addition his voice made to the harmony texture.

Vinnie: Stander on the Mountain. For starters. Hell of a lot of noise around an otherwise cruisy song. Don't like Vinnie singing. Even some songs that weren't lame tended to sound lame in the nineties.

Plus their attempts to cover the Beatles

Of these the best you can say is that the Dead must have pretty much agreed, as they mostly got canned pretty fast.

I sometimes wonder what might have been if Willie and the Dead had hung out a bit together. I don't think the boys really had their head around country - maybe a California country, but it's too often cringe territory alongside the Austin contribution.

OK, that should do for a stir.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Stander on the Mountain, which is actually a Bruce Hornsby song... That and Valley Road.

The GD didn't really do it justice very often though... I do like the 11/1/90 version in London though...

Donna Evil or Very Mad I just really can't stand her.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is only one song that comes to mind that I absolutely cannot stand.
I'm surprised it has not been mentioned yet.

Victim or the Crime is like nails on a chalkboard to me......Just have never been able to stomach that one.

There are some others that I'm not overly fond of but none that just make me want to cringe.
Some of their earlier stuff (i.e. Born Cross Eyed, King Bee, Doin That Rag) as well as some of their later stuff that has already been mentioned (Wave to the Wind, Picasso Moon, Easy Answers) I'm not overly crazy about but I don't think that they are terrible.
As for everything in between, it's all good to me. Some versions are obviously better than others, but the songs are all good. Now there are some songs that if I were at a show wouldn't be my choice to hear, but now that all we have is the tapes, I find there are alot of songs that I like to hear that maybe wouldn't be my first choice for them to play at a show.

My love of the Dead is in the songs. For the most part the songs that they did (originals and covers) were really great songs. Yes, they are more known for being the original jam band, but if it wasn't for the songs the jams would be irrelevant in my opinion. Because of the jams, i think they are very underated as songsters (is that a word?).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

finster wrote:
there is only one song that comes to mind that I absolutely cannot stand.
I'm surprised it has not been mentioned yet.

Victim or the Crime is like nails on a chalkboard to me......Just have never been able to stomach that one.


Here's the thing about Victim. I was never psyched to hear it start. And I really can't stand the lyrics or the way the verses and especially the choruses flow. This is Bobby high-cheese. However, Victim had some redeeming qualities. It turned into a nice, high-intensity jam (if a bit ugly and abstract) and they usually got pretty freaky with it. As the late-period advanced, I came to appreciate Victim over the other possibilities (Easy Answers, Way to Go Home, Samba, etc..). At least Victim was a good jam that Jerry seemed to enjoy playing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another Samba bashing...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Yet another Samba bashing...



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Yet another Samba bashing...


What do you want? I don't like that song. Few do.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Br-r-r-r-r-dat-dat
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people have hit the obvious spots---Two Souls, Sunrise--so I will just say that I Will Take You Home is probably the most egregious thing ever performed. Every Brent song is lame, except maybe there's a cover or something that I'm forgetting that rises to tolerable, if the dude wasn't dead he wouldn't get near as much slack. He was a great keyboard player and sometimes a good backing vocalist, though. Kicked the [CENSORED] out of Vince in almost every way.

But I Will Take You Home goes beyond "boring" or "lame," it's positively offensive.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Lazy Lightning" ... all eras! I love the jams but the song no. Sorry I just can't get it.
Most of the melodies I don't like make me just "deaf": in other words I just don't listen to it but don't skip the songs (I don't do it ever). But I don't know why I have to struggle not to skip this song. Maybe as a new one I need some guidance.

I was never to a GD show but I do like Brent's voice and pretty much all the songs he sings. For Vinny is the opposite.

I have hard times listening to Keith & Donna Era songs expeccially for the Donna sing alongs ... I have to admit it. The 77 shows seems too "perfect", I prefer the rough edged shows.[/u]

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tizi wrote:
"Lazy Lightning" ... all eras! I love the jams but the song no. Sorry I just can't get it.
Most of the melodies I don't like make me just "deaf": in other words I just don't listen to it but don't skip the songs (I don't do it ever). But I don't know why I have to struggle not to skip this song. Maybe as a new one I need some guidance.

I was never to a GD show but I do like Brent's voice and pretty much all the songs he sings. For Vinny is the opposite.

I have hard times listening to Keith & Donna Era songs expeccially for the Donna sing alongs ... I have to admit it. The 77 shows seems too "perfect", I prefer the rough edged shows.[/u]

Try 9/6/83... of course, the jamming is the key to the song.


@bzfgt - so, you wouldn't vote for it as a USDS selection? Is that what I am getting here?
I can somewhat agree... but it doesn't really bother me. It is slow, and odd... I consider it filler while the rest of the band continues to get wasted backstage, and would generally prefer more Mickey weird noises or something instead.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree that I Will Take You Home is pure dreck. Brent should have kept it at home, where it belonged to sing his little girls to sleep. I am a big Brent fan, but this song, Don't Need Love and We Can Run, are terrible.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, yeah, Lazy Lightning is a terrible song...I think most of the reason it's usually put as a separate track from Supplication is so you can skip right to the jam...
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pig: Cosmic Charlie (Always messed with this song and most of the time pure disaster.)

K&D: Sing your blues away, (Horrible attempt from keith to sing a swampy song its the poor mans version of T jed

Brentski: I will take you home (While def. a sweet poignant song, its boring as fuck.)

Vinnie: The Same thing

Shitty in any era:

All phil songs! (Cept the studio version of box of rain and UBC.)
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