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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: 09-16-72 Boston Music Hall, Boston, Ma. Reply with quote


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1: Bertha, Me & My Uncle, Deal, B. T. Wind, You Win Again, Big River, Bird Song, Mexicali, Stella Blue, Jack Straw, Big RxR Blues, Playin
2: Morning Dew, Greatest, He's Gone, El Paso, Don't Ease, Dark Star> Brokedown, Promised, Ramble On, NFA> GDTRFB> NFA E: Saturday Night
last "Don't Ease": 11-29-70 [139]


Set 1
1: Bertha, Me & My Uncle, Deal, B. T. Wind, You Win Again, Big River, Bird Song, Mexicali, Stella Blue, Jack Straw, Big RxR Blues, Playin
Bertha is tainted by bad SQ, it gets a bit better, but not much, as the song continues on.
MAMU is standard, but suffers from SQ...
Deal shakes up the setlist choice a bit. Brent... I mean, KEITH puts in some nice support while Jerry gets his solo going.
This is followed up by a Black-Throated Wind. The audience in the SQ is pretty intrusive and obnoxious. They chill out and Bobby lays it down on the skillet for us. There is definitely some fine guitar work by Jerome, but even he had problems busting through the SQ.
You Win Again is not really a song I enjoy every much. The best thing about this song is that it is followed by...
Big River! Love this tune, in any era. Definitely some great guitar work in here, and as my ears adjust to the bad SQ... I really like this version. High energy, as it should be.
Bird Song is a welcome treat, and this version is quite tasty (quail?) with some excellent high notes from the maestro. Very enjoyable.
Mexicali is high energy. Good fast tempo too.
Stella Blue was a 1st setter many times in 72. I prefer it in the ballad slot but sometimes the playing in the earlier years was better. The singing was regularly better. Some fools in the AUD are very intrusive. While they were just having a good time, it is unfortunate that they are recorded forever, unless a better source comes up I guess. He even asked... "are you gonna make one of those bootlegs?" That comes through pretty damn clearly. Back to the music, some light fanning during the finale's crescendo.
Jack Straw has that slower 72 intro. I don't like that intro too much. This one really hits the spot, with great wah wah on Bobby's guitar during the verses.
Big RR Blues is a pleasant surprise. Perhaps they felt that since they did two nights back to back they needed to shake it up a bit. Too bad they didn't shake it up like this more often! It was shorter than I would prefer, but very nicely done. Such a great song, Jerry enjoys this one, you can tell.
PITB closes the set, and begins the excellent partial SBD. The jammage, yep, JAMMAGE, starts off nice and mellow, as we would expect. SQ seems to be a non-issue to my ears at this point. I could be better of course, but its not totally intrusive. It stays a little mellower than I would prefer for a little longer than I would prefer, but some direction seems to be found around the 9 minute mark, when things pick up a bit, but then it slows down again. By 13 minutes they have totally regained the initiative and start destroying my synapses. The rest of the time until the reprise is spent in some nice exploratory territory that I highly recommend.

Set 2
2: Morning Dew, Greatest, He's Gone, El Paso, Don't Ease, Dark Star> Brokedown, Promised, Ramble On, NFA> GDTRFB> NFA E: Saturday Night
last "Don't Ease": 11-29-70 [139 shows since last performance]

Dew is such a great set opener, with the nice splashing cymbol intro. Great wahwah on the guitars, and Keith is perfectly complimenting. The climax build up begins around the 9 minute mark, and is pretty much at its peak with some fanning just before the last verse is song. It is a good Dew, not a great Dew.
GSET continues the wahwahs, but Donna is in terrible voice, even for her. You can hear her getting more confident, and less proficient, as the tour goes along. The guitar work is fine, as always.
He's Gone is the call, and the climax is strong. Too bad this is back to the original source, as it is not on the partial SBD.
El Paso is also from original source.
The meat of the show upon us in the form of Dark Star. It starts off as you would expect. The first noodles are noted at about 4:20 into it. This is where teamwork really becomes noticeable, and we take our first step in the right direction, though the pre-1st verse portion is not where its at. AT 6:30 it starts to get pretty interesting, and you can tell we are getting closer to the verse as the theme is more pronounced, almost into a focused jam. Billy is going ape shit. I said almost focused, I would still call it exploratory for the most part. Just after 9 minutes we start getting our first prime time Garcia, and Bobby is right there with him, Keith is subtle, and Phil is rather standard. This allows Billy to branch out a bit more, so it works. At 10:40 we clearly his the theme and the first verse is belted out. Looking forward, I know the best is yet to come, so I am pretty happy about this. At 12 minutes we set off into some spacey territory. Keith is rather silent, allowing the guitarists to go to work while Billy remains mainly on the cymbal. Phil starts exploring with the bass as well. This stuff is just dripping. Just before the 15 minute mark raindrop Jerry is playing, with Bobby being Wier'd behind him. Keith starts to chime in a bit... we are now fully spaced. Billy starts with some creepy cymbal action and just after the 17 minute mark we are into [CENSORED] scary Dark Star, its just sinister, yet beautiful. By 18 minutes it is gaining momentum, and Jerry starts into some Tiger-ish action (very common in all these Sep 72 DS's), and then at 18:45 Keith blows my mind... in support of the tiger-ish jamming he starts the deep, heavy notes... Everyone jumps in and Jerry is tearing my mind into pieces while Keith stomps on them with his heavy hits. This is the part of the song that makes me place it in the top 3 of Dark Stars. By 21 minutes the Tiger is gone, but then returns again with a vengeance... but this is a faster tiger than most... X factor all the way. Just before 22 minutes, it starts going nuts again. It almost sounds like it would go into Cumberland, maybe some El Paso... but it just keeps chugging along with a nice train like tempo now. The pace loses the railroad flavor because it is just to fast after a bit, but you still sense they are segueing here...
Brokedown Palace! was not where I woud've thought they were going, but they slow it down and head on into it... This is a great cool down after the intensity of that Dark Star!
Promised Land is back at the original source again. It is short and sweet, and painful SQ...
Ramble on Rose is also on the original source... no surprises here.
NFA> starts off with a nice drummer intro. Still hard to believe sometimes it was only 1 guys on the drums. Man. This is a good NFA, not too slow like some of the 71 versions. The notes of GDTRFB> come in nicely, they had obviously gotten very used to this transition. They slow up the tempo, which is unfortunate. The tempo picks up quite nicely, to 80s pace, and the rest of the song is quite a treat. We get back into a little NFA to close the set.
Encore is, big surprise... OMSN, and it is also back on the original source.

Show Summary: The first set is plagued by SQ issues which, as much as I try to look past, I know effect my opinion. I am sure I am missing STUFF, subtle notes, etc. The Stella is nice, as is the Big RR Blues in the rotation, and the PITB is the highlight of the 1st set, as it most usually is in 1972. The 2nd set is great stuff... marked with one of the top 3 Dark Stars ever. Thank goodness for the great partial SBD, and hopefully the rest of the show will be uncovered at a similar level soon. I give the show an A-, but the source drags that down...

Source Summary: This starts off as a C-, there is some heavy static. It is flat and hollow. The start of Deal gets down to a D+ as it fades in and out, and general sound instability ensues. The SQ makes the whole 1st set difficult to listen to. The Partial SBD starts with PITB, but skips the following: He's Gone, El Paso, Promised Land, Ramble On, and the encore OMSN. The SQ of the partial is very exciting, and I give it an A-.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:59 am    Post subject: Siete scherzando? Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally listened to this Dark Star today and I love it. Thanks for calling it to my attention. You hit the nail on the head in talking about what Keith does starting at around 18 minutes. Great job, Rob.
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the Dark Star--Fuckin Ay Exclamation Shocked Cool been a long time since I heard this one. Top Three for sure. As a matter of fact...It could be The One Exclamation Perfect. This is a fine example of the boys in total sync with each other. Dare I say, who needs Mickey?
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Regarding the Dark Star--Fuckin Ay Exclamation Shocked Cool been a long time since I heard this one. Top Three for sure. As a matter of fact...It could be The One Exclamation Perfect. This is a fine example of the boys in total sync with each other. Dare I say, who needs Mickey?

Mickey came in handy for other reasons... let's not shoot him in the foot just yet.

As for the DS, I need to relisten to it, as it has been a while, and it has faded from my memory. I re-read my review and it sounds exciting! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that really struck me was Garcia's voice. He sings it with conviction, passion and total control. It's loud and crystal clear. Many other Dark Stars he almost sounds tentative and unsure of himself. I don't know if he's uncomfortable with the lyrics or his voice. Not this one. He delivers the goods in every area of the piece. Listened to it again today. Brilliant!
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast convinced me. The evening is young here. I'm on this. Been ages since I gave this one a listen.
Thanks.

This Dark Star is a treat. Forgot how nice this stretch was...kind of hidden between Spring and Winter shows. Jazzier than the 8-28 show. You can hear the evolution in just a couple of weeks. Outstanding.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump for its Bday!
If only we had a better source...
Actually, maybe we do by now!

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Doesn't appear to be...
This partial matrix is probably better for the spots it covers.

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