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11-22-68 - Veterans Hall, Columbus, Oh.

 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:04 pm    Post subject: 11-22-68 - Veterans Hall, Columbus, Oh. Reply with quote

11-22-68 - Veterans Hall, Columbus, Oh.

Morning Dew, Schoolgirl, Dark Star, St. Stephen> The Eleven> Lovelight, Cryptical> Other One> Cryptical> New Potato Caboose, We Bid You Goodnight
Bill Kreutzmann was absent due to illness

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The Deadís first-ever show in Ohio, and itís only available on an audience recording that sounds like it was recorded in an empty airplane hangar. Still, itís a fine example of the bandís raging, crusading, late-68 sound. Definitely worth a listen despite the lousy sound quality. A rare show played without Kreutzmann, who was sick that night. There were apparently only a couple hundred people there. Jerryís Gibson echoes and slices around the arena. Dew is a revelation. Schoolgirl absolutely chain smokes, and Pig Pen is at his raunchiest. Dark Star is played fast and flawlessly Ė a groovy, spacey exploration that packs a lot into 11+ minutes. The opening notes of St. Stephen melt and shimmer. What else is there to say? A classic set list, with pretty much everything you could ask for from one of the bandís best periods (except Billy). Mind-blowing stuff. The Other One> Cryptical bit is extraordinary Ė pure power Dead. If only there were a board of thisÖ Even so, itís well worth checking this one out.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard this one before.....Just checked out the Schoolgirl, and the echo in that place sounds crazy. The whine of Pig's Harp and the tone of that twin reverb Les Paul are right on in this venue....Very cool, nice find S&R...Im grabbin it off LL to listen on the big system....LAter
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome back Skobud!

Apparently Phil talked about this show in his book. Here's the quote I saw...

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"we tune up the guitars, the drummers rattle off paradiddles, and Jerry counts into 'Morning Dew.' i know from the first chord that it's going to be a good night, in spite of the feedback from the PA. Jerry is on fire, his guitar snarling and caressing at the same time. the drummers are crunching out the groove as if their lives depended on it - mickey gesturing after each backbeat, and billy grimly holding the groove close to home. the tune builds to its harrowing climax; jerry screams out the final line - 'i guess it doesn't matter anyway' - and we hammer home the final chords.

jerry looks over at me, and i give him a 'way to go, man' grin. most of the time, we don't use set lists - usually whoever wants to sing a song will call it - so Pig calls 'schoolgirl' and we go from there......(phil, searching for the sound p.139)


There seems to be some confusion about a couple of things. First, deadbase and some other references say that Billy is absent, and sometimes it sounds like it. On the other hand, Phil specifically mentions remembering Mickey and Billy being at that show. And some guy on LMA who says he was there also said that Kreutzmann played that night.

The second thing is TC. Either this or the next night was his first with the band. Most resources say it was the next night in Athens, Oh, but there's one guy who claims he joined them in Columbus, but is inaudible on the recording.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet Billy can'te even remember if he was there or not Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For no other reason than that I'm from there, I'm going to start a thread/project on Dead shows played in Ohio. What sub-forum should I post that in?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
For no other reason than that I'm from there, I'm going to start a thread/project on Dead shows played in Ohio. What sub-forum should I post that in?

Conversations of the dead, since it will cover all eras
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Dark Star post, there is a description of this part of the show (quoted below). You might notice that there's actually drumming through the Dark Star, which is quite unusual for an early Star - maybe Mickey was over-compensating for Billy not being there!
I'm pretty sure 11-23-68 was Constanten's first show; he got out of the air force on 11-22-68, so you can see he lost no time in joining the Dead!

11/22/68 - This is a very echoey AUD recording, but Garcia pierces
right through like a thousand bells; Pigpen is very quiet. (Also, Bill
Kreutzmann wasn't at this show, being sick, so Mickey Hart is the only
drummer.) Only three weeks since our last version, we see Dark Star
jumping by leaps & bounds into the '69 style - time flies by and
contracts, and the jam seems to swim and dissolve too rapidly to take
in - sometimes it almost seems like it's going to burst into a Live/
Dead passage. There's a dramatic point near the beginning of the jam
when Garcia switches to an even more piercing higher tone, and the
drums unexpectedly come banging in, leading into a passage of swirling
feedback and an almost Hendrix-style Garcia solo. This drops into a
wild Sputnik, which quiets down for a little spacy feedback (sounding
almost like a '72 space), which then goes right back to Sputnik and a
very fast, ringing bright-star theme; then they bring the energy down
for the Dark Star theme. The audience holds its breath - this is one
of the finest Stars of '68.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm .. I have the gd68-11-22.aud.cotsman.10088.sbeok.shnf version of this show. Haven't played this one or the version mentioned above in a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time. Not sure why I have one rather than the other or both. Maybe I already put these to the Pepsi Challenge and don't recall. I see that these files date from 2003 so mayhaps.

Guess I've found something to do tonight. Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill say it again, I like this aud...Maybe it is because there are not many quality auds at all from '68, and this one delivers.....Good show, Good listen...Kinda feel like you are a part of it or something...When I listen to this one it reminds me(or has the same feel because of the recording) of my aud copy of 8/6/71......PEace
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