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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: 6/17/91 - This one's for you Gopher! Reply with quote


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June 1991... the Grateful Dead, full steam ahead... perhaps the last truly amazing, consistent tour the boys pulled off. This show is the crown jewel. Little Feet opened for the boys, a good warm up for the deadicated. Three days earlier the boys played a legendary show with a one verse Dark Star, and this show is laced with Dark Star Idea , though it was never actually not sung. I would venture as far as to say that the whole night was one long Dark Star Idea with the rest of the songs segued in and out. Bruce really wanted to play it again throughout the night, so they somewhat appeased him. Just listen and you will hear what I mean. This is perhaps Bruce's best show with the Grateful Dead.

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East Rutherford, NJ
6/17/91 - Monday

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Eyes Of The World (15:57)> Walkin' Blues (7:01); Brown Eyed Women (6:09); Dark Star Idea (1:33)> When I Paint My Masterpiece (6:25) Idea ; Loose Lucy (9:16); Cassidy (7:11); Might As Well 6:22)
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Space (3:01)> Saint Of Circumstance (7:00)> Ship Of Fools (8:01)> Dark Star Idea (1:14)> Truckin' (6:55)> New Speedway Boogie (10:15)> Dark Star Idea > Uncle John's Band (13:28)> Dark Star Idea (5:49)> Drums (12:13)> Space (8:25)> China Doll (5:17)> Playing In The Band Reprise (4:35)> Sugar Magnolia (10:59)
Encore - The Weight (6:01)


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Who in their right mind would have thought that was coming?! As far as a show opener goes, this does not disappoint. Not nearly the best Eyes ever, but come on! If this is your opener, are you really going to complain? I like this version because it is fresh, kind of laid back, but hey, its 1991... Pretty sure this is the first & only Eyes>Walkin' Blues by the way.
The next song was Brown Eyed Women. A solid effort to bring us to...
Dark Star Idea >Masterpiece... I just love a song with an extended tuning>jam> to introduce it. Not too often do you get that into Masterpiece. Here we are treated probably the finest Grateful Dead 'Masterpiece' ever. Bob signals the change from Dark Star Idea , and it fit oh so well. Bruce is on the accordion for this effort (correct me if I am wrong, I wasn't there :( :( ). When else have you liked the accordion? Well sung and played... and just in case we forgot, Bruce reminds us with a couple of notes at the end that the theme is Dark Star Idea .
Loose Lucy was next, a couple of cheesy licks from Vince. Bruce hops back on the piano to break down to us why he is the man.
Cassidy comes through after a few more Dark Star Idea piano notes are fiddled with. An extended tuning leads us into it. Bruce is again at the forefront, including vocally. Keeping in line with our theme of the night, this one gets spacey fast during the jam. Jerry is at his fullest for the set since the Eyes opener, the Masterpiece having rejuvenated him.
Might As Well... if we are referring to Dark Star Idea , gonna take that ride several more times in the second set. This rockin' set closer is just what the guitarist ordered. His vocals are strained, but so what. Who really listens to him for that over the guitar?

THE SECOND SET
Dark Star Idea >

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again, we have the theme of the night permeating. While not as thick as previously, this one has the St. theme to it more, this tuning/jam is just what was needed, electric drums and all. Brimming with energy, this St. soars. Everyone is one, we are in for a monumental second set. Jerry hits the MIDI before we even hit any jamming, slightly overpowering Bobby's singing, but it works. By the time the rain starts falling down the semblance of a guitar has returned and is HIGH in the mix ^^^. The final jam gets spacey immediately, and after a couple of Bruce notes of Dark Star Idea we are sailing.
Ship of Fools> Rockin' the boat! Bruce & the drummers... can you believe it, the drummers on Ship of Fools!! They didn't take their usual soda break (that's right, soda, not 'pop'). The band is firing on all 8 cylinders for the duration. Bobby filling in just perfectly, Bruce tickling, Jerry & Phil bring the power, Vince sets a beautiful background...
Dark Star Idea >Truckin'> Bruce tries again, though the tide is clearly headed to Truckin'... He almost wins out, Jerry hits the notes we all know so well, everyone is one board, but Bruce actually takes us out and Jerry is right with him... right up to Buffalo! We hit the power jam and wham! Right there into... Dark Star Idea ? No...
New Speedway Boogie> Groove time. Get back and let it take you in. Bruce does, Jerry obliges. Bruce once again hits a few star notes, then goes back to NSWB with a vengence. Jerry's vocals are perfect for this melancholy song. A fully swaggered version that does not disappoint, my favorite ever! Interesting lyric, 'this darkness got to give', considering this is the Dark Star Idea show. The final jam is Bruce & Jerry trading licks, excellent work!
Dark Star Idea > Uncle John's Band> Dark Star Idea> The instruments can barely contain the music, the speakers are smoking. The energy from the NWSB is fully flowing into the UJB. Bruce is excited enough to get the accordion back out (again correct me if I am wrong), and this allows Jerry to take the solo spotlight. When we hit the jamming we get a real treat... Bruce gets back on the piano, but Jerry is the (dark) star. The jam is simply stellar :P Then we head into space... their is a hint at TOO, but, instead we just hit the stratosphere circa late 79. Very impressive and focused, with every effort propelling us further into the dark. This sequence is the meat of the show... the jam clearly heads into Dark Star Idea rhythms, but maintains an UJB tempo, this is a recipe for perfection!!! Jerry is fully in stride, as is the whole band. After some time , shortly before Drums, TOO notes enter the equation.
Drums Vince stays out for a minute to add some funk, does a nice job, listen to this drums!> Space>
China Doll > from seemingly and literally out of nowhere, Jerry starts into China Doll... Bruce hits a couple of Dark Star Idea notes and we are on our way. Jerry is sounding nice, accented quite well by Vince & Bruce. Phil is laying the foundation to ensure the NYC metro area will have no problems should an SF quake strike, or in case he decides to drop some bombs later. Beautiful. It ends a bit prematurely to head into a
Playin' Reprise> Wait just a moment, we never played this tonight?! Who cares!? While the transition was super sudden, the performance is short and sweet, as a PITBR ought to be. Plenty of energy as it demands. Great to know they kept the momentum after the space>ballad. Phil is really dancing with the bass notes here...
Sugar Magnolia Bobby, relax! Jeez. He is a bit of a groove buster to me at this point. Everyone rocks out on this to make up for it, as we expect. Too bad this show is close to its ending... PHIL!!!
Encore: The Weight... A perfect ending to a perfect night. Who ever already hit the parking lot, solly!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koch, great mofo'in review as always....

Earlier today I re-visited bits and pieces of this monster, and well I really shouldn't call it over-rated, BUT 6/14 blows this [CENSORED] out of the water! and I know you slipped it into the top 50 even though it wasn't voted in Cool

I'm excited for the new top 50, becuase I KNOW all of our opinions have changed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Agreed 6/14/91 is better than 6/17/91 - and that 6/17/91 is overrated, in my opinion due to all of the Dark Star teasing (take it easy Bruce, geez). Nevertheless a great show...especially fond of the BE Women, Cassidy, Saint, Ship, and Speedway - standout versions of some good 'ol songs.

New top 50? I'm out of town and evidently have missed a lot!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just grabbed 6/17/91...Fuckin' ay! latter day Dead.Eneregy level up from star to finish.Agree w/ Swami the BEW is wonderful. Might even go as far as saying I dig it more than the 70s versions. Now I'm Headin' for 6/14/91. BTW Koch nice review as usual.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you liked it Fillmore!

I also love 6/14, but I feel differently than the two dissenters above.

1) I think 6/14 is the overrated of the two

2) I like 6/17 precisely because of all the dark star references, what an awesome idea!

That being said, 6/14 is also awesome, as are 6/19, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25... there was something in the water that tour.

Probably the last consistent tour... June of 91
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might being going out on a limb here especially since I more or less consider myself to be a 70s guy, But I cannot remember a show that I have listened to in quite some time where Garcia and the pianist are riding the exact same wave. This is not to say that the rest of the band are not in sync and smokin': but Garcia and Hornsby are joined from the first note on. Compared it to a well known 79 show(can't remember the date) and the energy level from the 79 show is non-existent-going through the motions compared to this show. Hornsby was definitely a shot in the arm for the whole band(Please excuse pun)

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A shot in the ass even! Or, as I always say, a kick in the ass to get Mr. Garcia going. Yes, they clearly had chemistry. Good call there Fillmoreeast
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also my favorite New Speedway Boogie.

Loose Lucy too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE Reply with quote

The Brown Eyed Smokes...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: EYE OPENING EXPERIENCE Reply with quote

reaganyearz wrote:
The Brown Eyed Smokes...


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: a few dark star teases do not a dark star make Reply with quote

this set list always drives me crazy. i don't usually consider a few little noodlings by bruce or jerry to merit a place in the set list. this whole "laced with dark star" stuff is really overstated, imho.

this is how i see it..

- there is a major dark star tease before masterpiece. they start into what sounds like it's going to be a really old-school version, before diverting to masterpiece. nothing against masterpiece, but...

- the second set DOES NOT begin with anything resembling dark star, nor do they even tease it while tuning up for St. of Circ. i have no idea why they'd list it like that in the notes.

- there is another major tease during the intro to truckin -- pushed heavily by bruce, where jerry even plays through a verse/refrain. it lasts about 60 secs.

- the pre-drums "dark star jam" to me sounds a lot more like an extended playin -> UJB jam. there is a dark star reference, but again, it lasts about 30 seconds. the tease i hear during this part most prominently is the other one -- a very clear tease just before the guitars leave the stage, even though they don't end up playing it.

- there is no dark star of any kind, tease or otherwise, between the playin' reprise and sugar mag. i don't know why it's listed that way in some places.

anyway, this is a worthy show, no doubt. i just don't think a few dark star "teases," pushed rather heavy-handedly by bruce, are what makes it great. i actually find them kind of infuriating.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much agree with you about the jam before St. of Circumstance, as I wrote in the review above, not really a Dark Star, more a St. jam... Perhaps the set list writer got a bit overzealous on that one. I will edit that.

I disagree with stating the show being laced with Dark Star is overstated. It is more than any show that doesn't have a Dark Star before or after it ever was. Laced, not overwhelming, as in lacing some drink with acid, but you can't really taste the acid. Not overwhelming the show.

Anyhow, disagreeing is totally authorized here, and you can take that to the bank (or these days, better put it beneath your mattress).

I again agree that there is no Dark Star anything between PITB R>Sugar Mags... I notice in my review I didn't mention any either. Just some overzealous setlist writers, the source for this setlist, deadlists.com, did not have that listed here.

I will, in fact, adjust the setlist above to reflect the point you made about the jam before St., it will just be called Space here..
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Kochman wrote:
I pretty much agree with you about the jam before St. of Circumstance, as I wrote in the review above, not really a Dark Star, more a St. jam... Perhaps the set list writer got a bit overzealous on that one. I will edit that.

I disagree with stating the show being laced with Dark Star is overstated. It is more than any show that doesn't have a Dark Star before or after it ever was. Laced, not overwhelming, as in lacing some drink with acid, but you can't really taste the acid. Not overwhelming the show.

Anyhow, disagreeing is totally authorized here, and you can take that to the bank (or these days, better put it beneath your mattress).

I again agree that there is no Dark Star anything between PITB R>Sugar Mags... I notice in my review I didn't mention any either. Just some overzealous setlist writers, the source for this setlist, deadlists.com, did not have that listed here.

I will, in fact, adjust the setlist above to reflect the point you made about the jam before St., it will just be called Space here..


i wasn't directing all of that at you... and i feel kind of silly arguing these minor points about what i think was a great show. i have seen people insert a non-existent dark star after the playin reprise.

this whole tour was nice. i saw 6/9, 6/19, 6/20 and 6/22. a fun and memorable month for me.

anyway cheers...
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Don't worry, I didn't think you were attacking me. I am pretty thick skinned anyhow.

I appreciate candidness, and particularly when it is factual, hence the change to the setlist above.

This is probably my favorite show of the Post-Brent period. A top 5 ever for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koch, I dig how much you rave about this show and can agree that it is smoking. But it's not even in my top 5 for the month....

Give me:
6/6
6/9
6/14
6/24
and
6/25

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Koch, I dig how much you rave about this show and can agree that it is smoking. But it's not even in my top 5 for the month....



That is because there is no fanning.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhhhh, right. There goes Koch reading my thoughts again Crying or Very sad(lol, had to say that, old SA reference.... you once said to me in the infamous favorite keyboard player thread Laughing)

Nothing to do with that. Fanning is pretty inexistent in '91.
Setlist is extremely weak imo. That's the main reason why I don't care for it.

I'm not saying this to be a dick or to gain anything, but it may be my least favorite show of June. I call it as I hear it Smile

That being said, June '91 is probably my favorite month that the GD toured in.

That gives me a thread idea.....

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Koch, I dig how much you rave about this show and can agree that it is smoking. But it's not even in my top 5 for the month....

Give me:
6/6
6/9
6/14
6/24
and
6/25

Cheers


I'd add 6/20 and 6/22.

6/20 - totally unique show featuring a second set throwin stones sandwich. yeah, i know what you're thinking, but it's awesome.

6/22 - soldier field. top-shelf shakedown, foolish, terrapin, dark star jam.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often call June 91 the last month of consistent touring... Best month ever is a bit of a stretch for even a Vinny fan like me.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last great tour IMO.
My wife saw the whole thing, and she said the only show that was crappy was
6/20/91
Touch Of Grey ; Greatest Story Ever Told ; Peggy-O ; Mexicali Blues > Maggie's Farm ; Bird Song
Throwing Stones [6:40] > Iko Iko [9:04]; All Along The Watchtower [7:13] > Standing On The Moon [10:11] > He's Gone [9:38] > Drums [1:47#] > Space > The Wheel > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Throwing Stones > Not Fade Away
Encore Brokedown Palace

I've never listened to it but the 2nd set selection looks cool. She said Jerry was slumped over and smacked out, and at one point seemed really lost.

That said, I've listened to most of the shows from this tour and they range from solid to excellent. I caught RFK and vowed that it would be the last show I would see -i.e. - I would go out on a high note. I broke that vow in 1994 and saw a lousy show at RFK, followed by an OK one in Seattle in 95 then the death knell at 6/25/95.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: 6-20 Reply with quote

Yeah - 6/20/91 not good - I agree.

6/22 on the other hand, VERY good.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 6-20 Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
Yeah - 6/20/91 not good - I agree.

6/22 on the other hand, VERY good.


I haven't heard 6/20 actually... 6/22 is rock solid, underrated.
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Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
Yeah - 6/20/91 not good - I agree.

6/22 on the other hand, VERY good.


I haven't heard 6/20 actually... 6/22 is rock solid, underrated.


My wife said it was her favorite of the whole tour. Killre Shakedown, LIG and pre-drums if I recall. Also love both Sandstone shows.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: 6-20 Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
Yeah - 6/20/91 not good - I agree.

6/22 on the other hand, VERY good.


I haven't heard 6/20 actually... 6/22 is rock solid, underrated.


My wife said it was her favorite of the whole tour. Killre Shakedown, LIG and pre-drums if I recall. Also love both Sandstone shows.


6/22 has a KILLER Shakedown! what a show. cold and breezy for June. wind whipping in off Lake Michigan. Shakedown in the two-hole. Pre-drums was

Foolish -> LLR -> Crazy Fings -> Playin -> Terrapin

drums -> space, then 7.5 minutes of dark star jam/instrumental. a great show.

however, i really liked 6/20... i'm telling you: the throwin' sandwich is awesome. the 'he's gone' is chilling. the bob tunes are GREAT all night long. best Miracle I ever saw. I know how weird that sounds. But it's awesome. For crissake.. it's a least worth a listen.
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omfg the shakedown on 6/22 smokes so goddam much! i'm about 14 mins in.. 'just gotta poke around!' jerry wanders into a spectacular midi-jam around the ten-minute mark that is just outstanding. the groove is sooo funky in this version. wow. this show is a classic for the shakedown alone. jerry was in late-70s form.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revisited this one again last night.
I gotta say, I still love it.

The NSWB is fantastic, and the jam out of UJB to go into Drums is awesome as well.

I find the setlist to be great. The weak point in this (and many) show(s) is the Loose Lucy. Watching the video of the show, you can see that Jerry is having a great time playing it... I just don't like it.

This show holds my favorite versions of Masterpiece, solo Saint, Ship, and NSWB. Not bad. Not bad at all.
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