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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: 09-17-93 Madison Square Garden, New York, N.Y. (Fri) Reply with quote

1: Jack Straw> Sugaree, Walking Blues, Ramble On, Tom Thumb Blues, Easy Answers, Lazy River Road, Promised
2: Foolish Heart> Woman Smarter, Ship Of Fools, Saint> Jam> Drumz> Miracle> TWBS> SOTM> Lovelight E: IFTL

Great show here. Quick Review.
The first set opens up with a nice, energetic Jack Straw, with Jerry's 93 guitar tone in full effect and the standard mic issue on the first lyric. Sugaree to follow was fine. Tom Thumb's Blues brings some nice action to the plate, with some great solos from the Great Gar. The Easy Answers is packed with energy, and leads us to a beautifully jammed Lazy River Road. This one will surely not disappoint the faithful. The Promised Land to close the set out is brimming with energy, as it often is, but more so than is usually to be found in 1993. It is a bit longer than most and really hits the spot. It fulfills is potential nicely.

The Foolish Heart to open the 2nd set is full and well defined. Definitely the highlight of the show up to this point, it bodes well for the rest of the set. The jam before returning to the verse is intense and sky high. Jerry hits the high notes in perfection with his crispy tone. The segue into Women R is executed decently. Not my favorite tune, but maintains the energy that the Foolish brought to the table. Jamming is the order of the day, very nice work here with the MIDI as well.
The Ship is fit for the sea. Very nice work all around. Some sick fills by Jerry, he is clearly in top form this evening.
Saint will lead us into drums, starting off very strongly. Vinny recovers from an initial blunder. Bobby is using MIDI, which I could have lived without. Awesome crescendos in the jamming, with Vince building and Jerry towering... The outro is temporarily sloppy, for a couple of seconds, in an otherwise spotless pre-drums performance. The slop leads to a nice jam into drums, so its forgiven. It wanders here and there, never in a rush.

Out of a solid 93 space... where I am sure a spaceship had something to do with the sounds... the familiar riffs of...
Miracle appear. No steam has been lost during the interlude. Rockin' rollin' Grateful Dead. Jerry does some unusual jamming here that is not to be missed, a very different Miracle with some great distortions. This is actually a unique Miracle jam here.
Out of the distortion at the end of the Miracle comes That Would Be Something out of nowhere, only played twice before, and it was not a regular in the rotation at this point at all. It is very clear, but had to have been unusual for the crowd. Meet you in the pouring rain. Well sung with some nice playing at the end, slowing us down in time for...
SOTM, which will fill the ballad slot for the night. I get appropriate effects in it, particularly from Vince, that really give it a spacey mood. It definitely keeps with the levels of excellence thus far in the show. Perhaps this is the version that will turn Swami into a greater fan of the song. Anyhow, I love it. At the 5:30 mark Jerry goes into a delicate solo. After heartfelt declarations of his desire to be with you, we get some more of the goods. The energy has built and Jerry goes into solo mode. The rest of the boys are doing a fine job, even Bobby's MIDI is enjoyable here. The solo is of course where its at, with some great noodles and high notes intermixed just right, even a bit of crisp fanning/noodles... hard to tell exactly which to my musically ignorant ear.
Definitely a great, great SOTM.
Lovelight is a proper closer to the night. Definitely well performed, with some great solo work again from Jerome. I am sure he was all smiles this night.
The encore was IFTL, and I will say it again, I dig this song. Too bad it was so short.

Notes on the night. This is a perfect example of the often overlook 93. Jerry's guitar is absolutely on fire throughout the show, but in the 2nd set he shines like the days of yore. Definitely check out the 2nd show now if you don't listen to the entire show.
Do not, I repeat, do not miss this second set. JERRY ROCKS.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This review has been completed... 2nd set totally knocked my socks off.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to 9/18/93 now, the next night, 2nd set, and it seems like the juice runneth over into this night too!

I already know this month holds 9/13/93, one of my all-time favorite dead shows
09-13-93 The Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pa. (Mon)
1: Bucket, Jack A Roe, Same Thing, Stagger Lee, B. T. Wind, Dire Wolf, Let It Grow
2: Scarlet> Fire> Playin> Dark Star> Terrapin> Drumz> Jam> Easy Answers> Days Between> Good Lovin E: IFTL

And 9/29/93 with a Terrapin approaching 30 minutes
09-29-93 Boston Garden, Boston, Ma. (Wed)
1: Bucket, Sugaree, Same Thing, Loose Lucy, B. T. Wind, Dire Wolf, Eternity, Tennessee Jed
2: Eyes, L. L. Rain@, Way To Go, Terrapin> Drumz> Playin Reprise> Stella Blue> Sugar Magnolia E: Liberty
"Terrapin" fake before "Way To Go" - final/last "Playin Reprise": 01-25-93 [70] - sound check: acoustic "L. L. Rain"

and of course 9/22/93
09-22-93 Madison Square Garden, New York, N.Y. (Wed)
1: Help> Slipknot> Franklin's> Minglewood, Ramble On, Masterpiece, Bird Song*
2: Easy Answers*, Lazy River Road*, Estimated*> Dark Star*> Drumz*> Wharf Rat*> Throwing Stones**> Lovelight** E: IFTL
*with David Murray **also with James Cotton"Shangri-La" tuning before "Ramble On"

Perhaps this month merits further examination.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm finishing up Boston Garden:

9/28/93 - Tuesday

One Touch Of Grey > Greatest Story Ever Told ; Row Jimmy ; New Minglewood Blues ; So Many Roads ; When I Paint My Masterpiece ; Bird Song

Two China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider ; Samson And Delilah ; Uncle John's Band > Playing In The Band > Drums > Space > Attics Of My Life > Throwing Stones > Good Lovin'

Encore U.S. Blues

Pretty good show - Jerry tries really hard to make it a "great" show. Sometimes I find a lot of East Coast shows have that trying-2-hard syndrome. Phil is all over the place having a field day, but there just seemed to be a lack of cohesion and chemistry overall - even during a very spacey 14-minute Playin in the power slot, and before that in a Bird Song that had potential but never took full flight.

Loved So Many Roads in the First Set and the Space-Attics-Thowin-G'Love sequence was well done.

Overall I would say the next night (9-29-93) is better, featuring those mammoth versions of Eyes and Terrapin that will keep it in my top 100 shows I'm pretty sure. Also Koch mentioned 9-22-93 which is awesome. 9-16-93 MSG I find to be overrated, but given this review I will definitely be checking out 9-17.

While not consistently great, Sept 1993 had some very high peaks, including 9-13-93 which is a contender for best show in the Vince Era.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swami - how do you feel about the richfield run from 9/93?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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swami - how do you feel about the richfield run from 9/93?


While I am not Swami, I will answer this too... I felt it was so so... not quite to the caliber that the rest of the month was at.
I remember being a bit disappointed, but I will have to review this opinion when I do the whole month at some point.

Now let me un-hijack this thread.

Listen to this second set now.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/20 MSG is worthy of mention too.
Actually the first 93 show I that was recommended to me a few years back and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Race>Dire Wolf and the Johnny B Goode to end the first set are a lot of fun.

Touch Of Grey ; Greatest Story Ever Told ; Row Jimmy ; The Race Is On > Dire Wolf ; Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again > Lazy River Road > Johnny B. Goode
Samson And Delilah ; So Many Roads ; Truckin' > He's Gone > Drums > Space (1) > The Other One > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad (1) > Morning Dew
Encore Baba O'Riley > Tomorrow Never Knows
Comments (1) with Edie Brickell

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is...

Dude, I beseech you to listen to the second set of 9/17/93 tomorrow and post your thoughts.

Skip the first set for now... just go right the 2nd... do it for me dude...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Yes, it is...

Dude, I beseech you to listen to the second set of 9/17/93 tomorrow and post your thoughts.

Skip the first set for now... just go right the 2nd... do it for me dude...

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Will do. I checked out snippets of 9/17 and 9/28 a little while ago. Sounded like some nice jamming. I always like a Saint>jam. The 2nd set of 9/28 on paper looks killer too. I'm kinda pooped to start listening to it now though

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough dude, but I am reminding you this fresh morning...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Fair enough dude, but I am reminding you this fresh morning...

i am queuing up now.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to listen to the whole thing - just finished up the first set.
Definitely a strong performance. I listened to the AUD which is very good. You can tell the audience is psyched and Jerry is on. Great J Straw, Sugaree, Lazy River, Ramble On and Promised Land. My only compliant is that Jerry used that acoustic tone too much. Sounds good on Lazy River Road or some other countrified tunes or maybe a delicate solo in Sugaree
- but during the fanning/trilling/scrubbing on Sugaree or the end of Promised Land? Click off that fucking fake acoustic midi tone pedal and go with your pure tube amp tone and a little overdrive. This is rock and roll Mr Garcia.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, here is what I am guessing...
Not taking my advice and skipping directly to the 2nd set, Dude started at the first set... he got tired of it (because it isn't as good), and got distracted into something else, and has still not listened to the 2nd set.

That sound about right? Or am I assuming incorrectly?
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Duderino wrote:
9/20 MSG is worthy of mention too.
Actually the first 93 show I that was recommended to me a few years back and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Race>Dire Wolf and the Johnny B Goode to end the first set are a lot of fun.

Touch Of Grey ; Greatest Story Ever Told ; Row Jimmy ; The Race Is On > Dire Wolf ; Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again > Lazy River Road > Johnny B. Goode
Samson And Delilah ; So Many Roads ; Truckin' > He's Gone > Drums > Space (1) > The Other One > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad (1) > Morning Dew
Encore Baba O'Riley > Tomorrow Never Knows
Comments (1) with Edie Brickell


Just got this show and skipped right to space for Edie. It is amazing. She so could have started singin What's Become of the Baby? during this space. Also, that would have been a major breakout.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9-17-93 (thread topic):

Set 1 was not memorable to me, except for Phil's pounding during Jack Straw, and some nice flurries by Jer in Sugaree.

Foolish was solid to open set 2, but Women R kind of lost my attention. Ship O' Fools was outstanding Exclamation - great version. Saint was good, but again I kinda drifted away... Jerry's turtle guitar brought me back in the Circumstantial Jam.

Nice odd Jerry-jam at the end of Miracle, into TWBS - why Jerry, why? I absolutely hate That Would Be Something ... no such thing as a "good" version of it. SOTM didn't do much for me until the ending jam in which Jerry goes nuts for a minute over Bobby's MIDI.

Overall I liked this show, but it doesn't stack up against the top-tier shows from the tour (9/13, 9/22, 9/29). I think I actually prefer the previous night (9/16) due to a better setlist and a far superior 1st Set. Nevertheless I certainly can't argue with Foolish, Ship, and Circumstantial Jam in 1993.

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swamiGD80s wrote:
9-17-93 (thread topic):

Set 1 was not memorable to me, except for Phil's pounding during Jack Straw, and some nice flurries by Jer in Sugaree.

Foolish was solid to open set 2, but Women R kind of lost my attention. Ship O' Fools was outstanding Exclamation - great version. Saint was good, but again I kinda drifted away... Jerry's turtle guitar brought me back in the Circumstantial Jam.

(possible edit after I hear the post-Space).


By the way nice cat photo Koch...I would love to have a snow-white kitty like that one.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
So, here is what I am guessing...
Not taking my advice and skipping directly to the 2nd set, Dude started at the first set... he got tired of it (because it isn't as good), and got distracted into something else, and has still not listened to the 2nd set.

That sound about right? Or am I assuming incorrectly?


WRONG! I listened to the 2nd set yesterday afternoon, in fits and starts because it was streaming. Very good show Foolish>Women was smoking, Ship suffered from vocal lapses, loved the Saint>Jam, the last few minutes of Space hinted at a Miracle, maybe Other One, Miracle was surprisingly good, not the usual 3 minute perfunctory reading, thought the meltdown at the end was cool into TWBS. SOTM was a really good reading and Lovelight, which I usually go "feh" to after 1985, was rippin, as it always had the potential to be. IFTL was a fun romp. Again, my only criticism of this period is Jerry's acoustic tone, but that's my personal preference. They were definitely playing well during this period, especially the Gar. Some of the new songs around this time aren't so hot, but I can always skip them. Actually enjoyed a little bit of the jammy part during Easy Answers

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, glad you listened.
As I mentioned, the 1st set is mediocre...

Dude, I was pretty sure that Jerry's acoustic tone would set you against it a bit, but that the excellence of the particular performance would overcome that obstacle, as it seems it has.

I will agree that 9/13 & 9/22 are better, those are two of the best shows of the year. 9/29 I might have to re-listen too. I love that Terrapin, probably the longest one ever, and the rest of the show was pretty good as I remember.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Cool, glad you listened.
As I mentioned, the 1st set is mediocre...

Dude, I was pretty sure that Jerry's acoustic tone would set you against it a bit, but that the excellence of the particular performance would overcome that obstacle, as it seems it has.

I will agree that 9/13 & 9/22 are better, those are two of the best shows of the year. 9/29 I might have to re-listen too. I love that Terrapin, probably the longest one ever, and the rest of the show was pretty good as I remember.


I didnt think the first set was mediocre. I mean, other than the selection of Walkin and Easy Answers, its well played. Sugaree is nice and long with some good jammin, and Ramble On and Promised Land are also rockin. There is really no real "dud". I'm on board with 93. I appreciate you and Swami turning me on to the year.

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Duderino wrote:
I'm on board with 93. I appreciate you and Swami turning me on to the year.

Mission accomplished.

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Duderino wrote:
I'm on board with 93. I appreciate you and Swami turning me on to the year.

Mission accomplished.

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Awww, you had to go too far. I don't want to associate creepy Tom Cruise w/ 93!!!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, my gut instinct was right when it said not to post this one...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to bump this back up, since Gopher mentioned it. I really enjoy this show, and September 93 was a good month.
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Kochman wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
swami - how do you feel about the richfield run from 9/93?


While I am not Swami, I will answer this too... I felt it was so so... not quite to the caliber that the rest of the month was at.
I remember being a bit disappointed, but I will have to review this opinion when I do the whole month at some point.

Now let me un-hijack this thread.

Listen to this second set now.


I think that's probably true. I saw 9/9 and 9/10, and with the exception of a few bright spots -- especially 9/10, but also a nice Dew on 9/9 -- that run was the worst I'd seen up to that point.
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I didn't bump this back up so you could re-hijack it man! jeez
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Bump for the 2nd set greatness... listened to this at some late nite LP action with the Gopher.
Good stuff.
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