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What type of jam do you like most?

 
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What type of jam do you like most?
Spacey - Way out there
36%
 36%  [ 9 ]
Exploratory yet recognizable or easily returning to theme
56%
 56%  [ 14 ]
Focused rock n' roll noodly fanning type jams
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: What type of jam do you like most? Reply with quote

What type of jam do you like most?
We each have our favs. I thought about this when I was thinking about 5/11/72 & 12/6/73 Dark Stars... I mean, I know people like them, but they are not my bag. Then I consider things that are my bag, like a cocaine driven 1983 Eyes or a PITB jam, or a 93 Terrapin...

Of the three major categories of jams...
Spacey - as in, way out there, most commonly found in DS or TOO or PITB during the 72-74 period... Perhaps Orbital Jams... definitely Seastones.

Exploratory - common in all eras, sticking pretty close to the theme of the song, but branching out to newer areas, Eyes of the World from the 73-74 period would be a great example, or Bird Songs at any time. Earlier version of Dark Stars would fit in here.

Focused - such as found in the end of Deal in the 80s, or during PITB in the 80s... where cocaine and lo mein noodles collide... it doesn't have to be a noodle fest, another example would be fanning such as often found in 77-78. Jack Straws post retirement...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack Straw(".... on the run......Jack Straw from..." and Music Never Stopped( closing jam) are two songs I obsess over the most so I voted for the 3rd option. Bluegrass-Disco-Train wreck fusion Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spacey for me...I just want to lie back and let the boys pilot the ship through another galaxy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Exploratory yet recognizable or easily returning to theme"
They're my favorite. Especially the ones that emerge from chaos and eventually segue into a song (4/8/72 Darkstar>JAM>Sugar Mag) or lead from a song into eventual chaos, like many Gone Jams. I loved what they were doing during the
Space segments in late Summer/Fall 83 - Bob and Jerry would lead these very dark jams that had a definate but loose theme, that would eventually form into a song.
2nd choice would be the self contained rockin jams - TMNS, JStraw, Sugaree, Cassidy, Cumberland...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with you Dude
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
I'm with you Dude

The Dude abides... Cool

Only occasionally am I in the mood for either aimless, quiet noodling (ala 12/6/73 Darkstar) or total meltdown. Of the 2 I prefer the meltdown. The other day I actually listened to the first Seastones I could endure. 9/21/74 Paris. Bob and Jerry (mostly Jer) join in about midway and add to the chaos, which then gets quiet and they launch into Playin. good stuff.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, all three are desired at certain times. I tend to prefer Exploratory, followed by hard slamming Rock & Roll stylee, and then Spacey as the last choice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend not to like Keith's grand piano in my Space Jam.

Nowadays, I prefer a more focused jam, especially while driving.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the spacey stuff normally. Then I dig the exploratory jams that have themes, I agree with Dude on the 83 Space. Very dark and interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spacey-Jupiter and beyond for me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Spacey-Jupiter and beyond for me.


Wait, you dissed the 12/6/73 because it was spacey...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew that was comin'...There are of course exceptions I don't find 12/6/73 spacey as much as boring. I compared it to Seastones which was more electronic noise rather than deep space.Give the DS from 8/1/73--Spacey in an exciting way. 7/12/90 they get out ther but it's done with high energy. I guess 12/6/73 could be consudered spacey but they lack the energy to really take me out.Every time I thought they were starting to it just fell flat again.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further! As far out there as possible preferably ending in long deep drones and utter chaos. I also love a good Beam where your soul shakes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: jerk Reply with quote

My favorite type of jam is blackberry.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
I knew that was comin'...There are of course exceptions I don't find 12/6/73 spacey as much as boring. I compared it to Seastones which was more electronic noise rather than deep space.Give the DS from 8/1/73--Spacey in an exciting way. 7/12/90 they get out ther but it's done with high energy. I guess 12/6/73 could be consudered spacey but they lack the energy to really take me out.Every time I thought they were starting to it just fell flat again.


you see, that's just it... the peaks of the 12/6 dark star are all feedback and big trouncing bass. i appreciate how they throw structure almost completely out the window in that version.

anyway, i've been thinking this question over as i listen to a terrific '73 Eyes and contemplate which category it belongs in. i suppose it's exploratory, but it has some seriously spacey elements to it. I think that's really what I like best --- exploratory jams that fade into and back out of spacey, soul-wrenching passages. I don't really take psychadelic drugs anymore, so the deep spacey stuff is my substitute.

Ideally you get a combination of all of these in a complete show package... and that's really what it's about, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was trying to explain why I liked the Dark Star of 12/06/73 so much to someone in work and all I could come up with was "Total space exploration for 22 minutes and then, as one, the band brings in the Dark Star theme and we safely land in calmer and more comfortable surroundings, leaving space behind."
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...

And to clarify... Eyes would generally be exploratory... though there are moments when they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out there that would qualify as spacey, although such moments are much more common in say a 40 minute PITB from 74, or a 50 minutes DS...

The 12/6/73 DS would be a perfect example of spacey, until those last 8 minutes or so, where it is more exploratory.

To further clarify... spacey would lack any structure in the normal sense of the word... exploratory still would have it but have moments that might venture closer to spacey.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay it's spacey. It's like when the Enterprise loses warp drive and they have to go to impulse power.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I voted I thought the one I voted for would win in a landslide (#2) because most of the moments we all return to talk about and cite fall into this category. I love the way-out spacey too but listen to structured [CENSORED] all the time and usually skip Space. 12-02-73 is one of the greatest though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me I like the jams found on Dick's picks 12. I just love how they go off so spacey, and sometimes reaching areas that were thought impossible to get to.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Music Never Stopped, Deal, Sugaree, Jack Straw, Let It Grow, Morning Dew, Row Jimmy, slow TLEO,slow FOTD, Loser, LLR, C>R and S>F transitions, Cold Rain and Snow....jams(although some wouldn't really consider them jams) that are the structured, usually between 1.5 - 4 minutes long and usually elevate into a chorus.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all about the spacey jams. I love nothing more than when I'm chilling out at home with my iPod on and the boys just start jamming away, and it gets so spacey, that I leave thevrealm of reality, and almost enter an unconscious state and that get slowly brought back down to earth. That to me is pure bliss!!!!!

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I just went with the middle option. Listening to some 10/17/74 Winterland yesterday on Sirius GD channel in my car, they went into some kind of spaced-out Tiger Jam. I did not enjoy it very much, and especially that kind of jam up against a good Playin jam from the 80s...I'll take the latter every time. There are some really really good spaced-out jams, but I find that I have to be in a certain frame of mind to enjoy those. And the ones that really achieved what they were going (outer-worldly) for were only a small percentage of the total attempts.

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