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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: What is it about 1982 ... Reply with quote

that generally makes me view it as the weakest of the early 80s years?

Its not the piano sound that Brent uses...
Lucasmcain submitted that the heavy touring schedule, particularly for Jerry, was a problem. That may very well be a part of it...

But, what else is it?

And, what are some of the strong points? Maybe I just gotta poke around more...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have mixed feelings about 82.
There are alot of smokin shows in 82, but I like it less than 81 or 83.
I think Jerry's habit was catching up to him
Compared to 81 - shows slightly shorter overall, less extended jamming, some shows that are sloppy or "dialed in" Phil was still awol until the Fall.
Compared to 83 - 83 was more adventurous, more jamming. sloppier sometimes, but more interesing. Also Phillip was back with a vengeance.
The SBD's from this era always sound really compressed with little dynamics, and Brent restricted his palette - alot of the electric piano.

I would say the weakest part of the year was the winter/spring. They seemed to pick up steam by late Summer, and the Fall tour brought renewed energy with the new tunes. Transitional year???

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some real interesting shows from 82. While I agree the music does not measure up to the strength of 81, they did takes some chances. I actually think the Spring Tour had some very strong shows and they were trying some different combos. 4/5 set 2....Bertha>Playin>Ship of Fools>Playin Jam>D/S. A few night later in Glenn Falls they rip off a beauty. A very strong Jack Straw opener with a Bertha to close set 1. Also a monster Playin sammy..Playin> D/S>Wheel> Miracle >Black Peter>Playin. That was also the Raven Space, Earthquake Space tour as well.

They follow up with a strong Greek run. I think 5/21 has that extra large Playin>Uncle John's>D/S and then on 5/23 another large 2nd Set.....Scarlet>Fire, Samson, Ship of Fools, Estimated>Eyes>bobby jam>Drums( with a Harley)Space>Other One>Stella>Miracle>Casey Jones.!!!!

Fall tour they keep up the placements. 8/1 open set 2 with a Playin>Aiko, 8/7 Alpine had Music>Sugaree>Music. 9/1 in Maine is just a solid show all around. MSG 9/21 set 1 Playin>Crazy Fingers>Me and My Uncle>Big River, all played before you can even breathe. I also really like The Frost run. And it looks like they did as well as both shows got double encores. ( The anonymous,Jaime Poris source that came out a month so ago is FUCKING SWEET!!!)

So are these as good as the 81 shows? While they look good on paper and they do pull of a good amount solid performances, there IS something missing. That being said in 82 you really had to be on your toes as they weren't afraid to mix it up. You could expect certain things in 81, one of them being that they were going to play really well. That is fine and good but you were also going to hear the same songs in set places. 82 comes along and you had a different factor.

They might not play as well ,but then again you are really surprised at what they do play. Throwing Stones and Touch of Grey and Day Job are new. You got second set tunes in the first set, you have set closers opening the show( i think they opened one with Sat.Nite) Phil might just come up to the mic and start adding imagry to the trip. Hell we even get Etta James and Tower of Power section for NYE!!!!!!

So again it comes to personal preference. How can you not love 81, it kicks ass. 82 kicks ass as well but in a totally different way. That is why I LOVE THIS BAND. I'll go to 81 to get my groove on, I'll hit the 82's when I want to hear them mess around with things and have some fun. Listening to 82 it does sound like a band having a good time. Dont know if I can say that for 83/84. That ventures into darker territory.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: 82 Reply with quote

In my estimation, 1982 was a great year, except that it was surrounded by mammoth years that were just a bit better. If you stuck 1982 in the late 70s or late 80s there would be no need to ask what is missing. I'll take 1982 over 1979-1980 and over 1987-1989.

The central USA Summer Tour (7/31-8/10) is one of the best ever, with several epic shows. Drop in Saturday night by the way for one of them (8/8/82 Alpine) at the listening party. I would be remiss if I didn't mention Montego Bay 11-26-82, a top-tier performance featuring Mr. Lesh sounding as good as he had in years.

Interesting points made however in this thread - I do not discount them.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: 82 Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
In my estimation, 1982 was a great year, except that it was surrounded by mammoth years that were just a bit better. If you stuck 1982 in the late 70s or late 80s there would be no need to ask what is missing. I'll take 1982 over 1979-1980 and over 1987-1989.

The central USA Summer Tour (7/31-8/10) is one of the best ever, with several epic shows. Drop in Saturday night by the way for one of them (8/8/82 Alpine) at the listening party. I would be remiss if I didn't mention Montego Bay 11-26-82, a top-tier performance featuring Mr. Lesh sounding as good as he had in years.

Interesting points made however in this thread - I do not discount them.

Good point - if 82 was plopped into 1988 it would have been epic. The summer tour actually started a week or two before in Ventura, great shows, followed by Tempe and Red Rocks. Quite a tour-de-force..

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: 82 Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
I'll take 1982 over 1979-1980 and over 1987-1989.


I certainly disagree with saying it is better than 79 or 80, in particular 1979, a ground breaking year, the year the orbital jam and Brent both came to the band. Poppycock to that Swami!

I can say I prefer 82 to 86-88, but just barely. And in my book 89 beats 82 pretty handily, really handily really.

But, I do still love it.

Some shows I do love from 82, as Lucasmcain pointed out, include much of the spring tour, with the pinnacle being the 4/17-19 period. In the fall there are another two shows I really love, 10/9-10. As for the summer... not as big a fan of it as Swami. I want to recall that I liked 7/27 a lot! Then we have 7/31/82, 8/3/82. Perhaps I need to revisit the year.

One huge disappointment for me though, 9/15/82... the epitome of "paper tiger"...
One Playing In The Band [8:41] > Crazy Fingers [9:33] > Space [1:33] > Little Red Rooster [7:49] ; Dupree's Diamond Blues [6:08] ; Beat It On Down The Line [2:57] ; It Must Have Been The Roses [5:20] > Playing In The Band Jam [2:51] > Let It Grow [11:21] > Keep Your Day Job [4:58]
Two Shakedown Street > Lost Sailor > Saint Of Circumstance > Drums > Space > Not Fade Away > Stella Blue > Around And Around > Good Lovin'
Encore Touch Of Grey
But, they never really delivered despite all the promise therein. As 6/17/91 is the Dark Star Jam show, this is certainly the PITB Jam show (most are unlisted above), but it pales in comparison to 6/17/91. Perhaps the disappointment of this show in particular put a bad taste in my mouth.

When its all said and done, an "off" year by the GD is still pretty amazing, particularly when dissected into show, runs or smaller portions of tours. In the end, just lacking consistency.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dissing on 9/15/82?? Zoinks!!
Evil or Very Mad
That's a really good show - Oddball first set with strong playing.
the only disappointment is the 2nd set. We were hoping for something huge but then they kind of went into "standard" mode. although the first Touch was pretty cool.
I would easily rank 1982 above 86, 87 and 88, and equal with 89. 1989 they didnt really get rolling until the summer. And I would rank 82 about equal with, but different than 84 - 1984 was more interesting, but more erratic, and again the shows got shorter as Jerry got wider, which I always thought was a drag.
The only bad thing about 82 was that it wasnt as uniformly strong as 81. But there were many monumental shows (4/3, 4/6, 4/18, 4/19, 5/22, 5/23, 7/31 through /8/10. 9/11, 9/14, 9/15, 9/18, Frost Amp, 10/17 Santa Fe, 12/28..Not as good as 79 or 80 IMO, but a great year nonetheless.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
Dissing on 9/15/82?? Zoinks!!
Evil or Very Mad

This picture sums up that show for me...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: 1982 Reply with quote

1982 was a very stong Bob Weir year - let's give Bob some credit for consistent energetic performances that year, both vocally and rhythmically - maintaining a brisk tempo in the jams...

Maybe this is why I consider 1982 to be above 1980, and somewhat equal to 1979.

As the 80s hit, Weir stepped up his game.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1982 Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
As the 80s hit, Weir stepped up his game.


True... peaking in 85! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1982
....as already mentioned.
Jerry' shabit catching up with him..
Phil being bored...
still an amazing year compared to most other bands..
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking to someone, perhaps cheese, the other day, when I came to the way guess I could describe 82.
It is full of solid shows, I can rattle off many shows (especially the more and more I listen to it), but while it has all those great shows, it rarely blows my socks off... it doesn't have that something unique about it that makes it stick out for me...
I guess I could call it a "jack of all trades" year.

This thread did remind me of some good ones, so it is a bit higher in my reckoning than it had been...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/14/82

Quite nice

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hugo Fugazi wrote:
9/14/82

Quite nice


I think I may listen to this show - been a while. Hi Virginia guy, and welcome. Check out the chatbox on the main page as now and then we do Listening Parties there. I am a big 1982 fan and have been craving some...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to 7/31/82 right now. Scarlett/Fire Cool Dig it!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
I too have mixed feelings about 82.
There are alot of smokin shows in 82, but I like it less than 81 or 83.
I think Jerry's habit was catching up to him

Interesting idea... but how does that compute.
I mean, if his habit caught up, did he slow down with the junk in 83? That would seem to be the only possible answer to this idea...
Unless I'm spacing. Always possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Duderino wrote:
I too have mixed feelings about 82.
There are alot of smokin shows in 82, but I like it less than 81 or 83.
I think Jerry's habit was catching up to him

Interesting idea... but how does that compute.
I mean, if his habit caught up, did he slow down with the junk in 83? That would seem to be the only possible answer to this idea...
Unless I'm spacing. Always possible.

I have always championed 84 and I would think that was the height of his abuse. 82 has many great shows, but equally off shows imo. I also think Phil was rather on this year. Granted his bass was turned down and no blistering solos out of Eyes, but he seemed to be more open to public speaking and other weirdness. See 4/18/82 as an example.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting album cover... Where did you find it?
4/19/82 has the Raven Space, of course, but I remember liking the 18th better overall.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: 1982 Reply with quote

Please check out Red Rocks 1982. Killer!! Especially, the first two nights.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call on those!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Interesting album cover... Where did you find it?
4/19/82 has the Raven Space, of course, but I remember liking the 18th better overall.


I actually made this one and many more over the past month or so.

I have to relisten to the 18th, as I was preoccupied to Phil's narrative about the earthquake. It is interesting that no matter where they were they boys always had SF and earthquakes on their mind.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider 1982 the "forgotten" year for me personally during this time period. Haven't yet dove in and really listened to shows. I've heard some but they haven't "stuck". It seems Phil started to find his way as the year went on (thankfully after 80/81) and the overall SQ of the year seemed off...(not the playing, just shitty recordings). Definitely will reference this thread whenever I decided to jump into 82.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the FB site someone recently mentioned Red Rocks 82, I remember liking this show a lot.

07-28-82 Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, Co. (Wed)
1: Shakedown, BIODTL> Greatest, TLEO, Mama Tried> Mexicali, Big RxR Blues, Lazy Lightning> Supplication, Deal
2: Woman Smarter, Althea, Let It Grow> He's Gone> Truckin> Jam> Drumz> Spanish Jam> NFA> Black Peter> Sugar Magnolia E: Baby Blue
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