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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Major League Baseball Jams Reply with quote

MLB Jams...
03/05/72 During Good Loviní, first one
04/08/72
09/21/72 The Spectrum, Philadelphia, Pa.
09/21/73 At about 10:30 in The Other
10/19/73 Oklahoma City Fairgrounds Arena, Oklahoma City, Ok.
10/25/73 Dane County Coliseum, Madison, Wi.
10/30/73 A Zephyr find
11/11/73 Winterland Arena, San Francisco, Ca.
11/20/73 Denver Coliseum, Denver, Co.
12/02/73 Boston Music Hall, Boston, Ma.
12/18/73 During Dark Star
05/12/74 University of Nevada, Reno, Nv.
05/19/74 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, Or.
06/28/74 Boston Garden, Boston, Ma.
07/31/74 Dillon Stadium, Hartford, Ct.
09/14/74 A Zephyr find (the last 1:44 before Wharf Rat)
09/18/74 A minute into the Caution Jam (Chinarider79 find)
10/17/74 Winterland Arena, San Francisco, Ca.
09/30/76 In TMNS, rgerbel find
10/02/76 During TMNS
10/03/76 Gopher find, in TMNS
10/18/78 A Zephyr find (Drums>MLB/Mojo jam>Wharf Rat)
10/22/78 A Zephyr find (at the end of NFA)
09/06/79 Going into Stella Blue, a light into ashes find
11/25/79 *15 Seconds... found by CR79... anyone verify this?
11/29/81 In the Gone Jam
04/09/83 A Zephyr find, during outro of Throwing Stones
06/24/83 A Gopher find, going into drums
12/30/83 San Francisco Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, Ca.
10/31/84 A Listening Party surprise discovery (although it is a shorty)
03/10/85
03/22/85 A Duderino find MLBJ after Terrapin
03/29/85 Before Baby What You Want (chinarider79 find)
03/24/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, N.Y.
08/17/91 In the Gone Jam
09/25/91 Beginning of TWBS
06/08/92 Richfield Coliseum, Richfield, Oh.
03/10/93 Rosemont Horizon, Rosemont, Il.

This is per deadbase.com... if you were interested. I know there are other unlabeled ones out there... let's list those here too (I am sending up the "Duderino Symbol" for this Arrow )

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hard to pick, but 11/11/73 and 10/17/74 are always a fun listen.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
It's hard to pick, but 11/11/73 and 10/17/74 are always a fun listen.


11/11/73 is pretty much my favorite of all time... really gets into the X-Factor territory
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listened to 10/20/73 this morning. Very good one that splits a Darkstar.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, did you know of others not on the list above? You mention them from time to time...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halloween 84 uncovered a secret MLB jam in the Space>Morning Dew
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found yet another unnamed MLBJ.
3/10/85 BCT - Deadbase and Deadlists both have this as the 2nd set....

Samson> Terrapin> Truckin> Smokestack> Drumz> Stella Blue> GDTRFB> Around> Johnny B. Goode E: Day Job

HOWEVER, both neglect to mention an 8 minute Mind Left Body Jam after Smokestack which dissolves into a Drums and Jer Left Body Jam and audience clapping about 2/3 the way through Cool stuff.....
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few more:
10/30/73 (this is the actual date of the one Duderino mentions)
9/14/74 (the last 1:44 before Wharf Rat)
10/18/78 (at the end of NFA)
10/22/78 (starting at about the 17:30 mark of NFA)

The 10/31/84 version is just Bob and only lasts a few bars. If you sneeze you miss it (in the last 20 seconds before they drop into Dew).

For me, the mind-blower has always been 12/2/73.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, your finds have been added to the initial list for posterity!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also there is a short (2.5 minutes) but distinct MLBJ after Terrapin on 3/22/85 Hampton. A happy audience is keeping time. And post Space there is a nice little Spanish Jam>Truckin>Smokestack.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also there is a short (2.5 minutes) but distinct MLBJ after Terrapin on 3/22/85 Hampton. A happy audience is keeping time. And post Space there is a nice little Spanish Jam>Truckin>Smokestack.


Also added.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me this monster doesn't float your boat, Thugmusk brought this one out one time.

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Set 1

Scarlet Begonias
Me And My Uncle
Brown Eyed Women
Beat It On Down The Line
Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo ->
It Must Have Been The Roses
Mexicali Blues
Row Jimmy
Jack Straw
China Cat Sunflower ->
I Know You Rider
Around And Around

Set 2

Bertha
Big River
Eyes Of The World ->
China Doll
The Promised Land
Ship Of Fools
Weather Report Suite Prelude ->
Weather Report Suite Part ->
Let It Grow Set . Seastones

Set 3

El Paso
Ramble On Rose
Greatest Story Ever Told
To Lay Me Down
Truckin' ->
Mind Left Body Jam ->
Spanish Jam ->
Wharf Rat
U.S. Blues
One More Saturday Night

Encore
Uncle John's Band
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember this one, and I remember it not really doing it for me... perhaps I was too excited about the pairing of MLB with the spaniard and expected too much. This seemed to be way too forced...
Perhaps I need to give it another shot, but unless there is another pairing of MLB/Spanish from 74, this is the one that didn't do it for me...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I remember this one, and I remember it not really doing it for me... perhaps I was too excited about the pairing of MLB with the spaniard and expected too much. This seemed to be way too forced...
Perhaps I need to give it another shot, but unless there is another pairing of MLB/Spanish from 74, this is the one that didn't do it for me...


The only other MLB/Sp combo I'm aware of is 10/17/74. A little too rehearsed as well, although well played. This Dillon Stadium show looks better on paper than it is in execution. I remember my first impression that there was some sloppiness that is not found in some of the other shows during this period. Still a pretty killer show

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just discovered an unknown MLB jam.
6/24/83 after Saint of Circumstance before Drums Bobby and Phil hang around and play a little MLB jam....it sounds great too.

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Gopher wrote:
Just discovered an unknown MLB jam.
6/24/83 after Saint of Circumstance before Drums Bobby and Phil hang around and play a little MLB jam....it sounds great too.

Thank you good sir, I have added it to the list above based on your note.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.


Man, you know how hard it is for me to listen to 81... especially those Gone Jams! Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zephyr wrote:
Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.


Man, you know how hard it is for me to listen to 81... especially those Gone Jams! Laughing


Yeah; my survey of 81 rolls on (the Boys played their asses off in 81) and I am feeling no pain. Little Red Rooster was still a novelty... Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.


Man, this is exactly the type of music I would love to listen to if I were getting free drugs from the government... just sit back and space the hell out!

Great find Zrock. Thanks a million... another great Gone Jam!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.


Man, this is exactly the type of music I would love to listen to if I were getting free drugs from the government... just sit back and space the hell out!

Great find Zrock. Thanks a million... another great Gone Jam!


But doesn't the Army give combat troops heading into battle massive doses of crank so they can be a totally amped-up Army of One Giant Cluster-Fuck for days on end? I seem to remember reading that in some Tom Clancy novel.

Survival Kit H27B14XBC:
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4 ampules of morphine
12 massive doses of military grade methamphetamine
1 temporary tattoo of a parachute with wings, or a scratch-and-win lotto card, depending
[Navy reservists (officers only) get 1 pair of inflatable water-wings]

Please confirm. (Unless, of course, they would have to kill you.)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
Kochman wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
Check out the jam after He's Gone from 11/29/81. If it isn't full-fledged, it's tantalizingly close. A nice jam in either case.


Man, this is exactly the type of music I would love to listen to if I were getting free drugs from the government... just sit back and space the hell out!

Great find Zrock. Thanks a million... another great Gone Jam!


But doesn't the Army give combat troops heading into battle massive doses of crank so they can be a totally amped-up Army of One Giant Cluster-Fuck for days on end? I seem to remember reading that in some Tom Clancy novel.

Survival Kit H27B14XBC:
1 Bowie knife
1 ace bandage
1 suture-yourself-and-qwitcherbitchin' kit
1 compass
1 decoder ring
4 chocolate bars (Hershey, natch)
4 cans of Spam
4 cans of Tang
4 ampules of morphine
12 massive doses of military grade methamphetamine
1 temporary tattoo of a parachute with wings, or a scratch-and-win lotto card, depending
[Navy reservists (officers only) get 1 pair of inflatable water-wings]

Please confirm. (Unless, of course, they would have to kill you.)


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Zephyr wrote:
Survival Kit H27B14XBC:
1 Bowie knife
1 ace bandage
1 suture-yourself-and-qwitcherbitchin' kit
1 compass
1 decoder ring
4 chocolate bars (Hershey, natch)
4 cans of Spam
4 cans of Tang
4 ampules of morphine
12 massive doses of military grade methamphetamine
1 temporary tattoo of a parachute with wings, or a scratch-and-win lotto card, depending
[Navy reservists (officers only) get 1 pair of inflatable water-wings]

Please confirm. (Unless, of course, they would have to kill you.)

You forgot:
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I KNEW it was true!!! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But doesn't the Army give combat troops heading into battle massive doses of crank so they can be a totally amped-up Army of One Giant Cluster-Fuck for days on end? I seem to remember reading that in some Tom Clancy novel.

Nope.
Though, they did in Vietnam, and it is totally frowned upon, and part of why so many guys came back screwed up. By the way, the first to experiment like that with their soldiers? Nazi Germany.
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Zephyr wrote:

But doesn't the Army give combat troops heading into battle massive doses of crank so they can be a totally amped-up Army of One Giant Cluster-Fuck for days on end? I seem to remember reading that in some Tom Clancy novel.

Nope.
Though, they did in Vietnam, and it is totally frowned upon, and part of why so many guys came back screwed up. By the way, the first to experiment like that with their soldiers? Nazi Germany.


OK, but the decoder ring and the rubbers: all true.

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Zephyr wrote:
Kochman wrote:
Zephyr wrote:

But doesn't the Army give combat troops heading into battle massive doses of crank so they can be a totally amped-up Army of One Giant Cluster-Fuck for days on end? I seem to remember reading that in some Tom Clancy novel.

Nope.
Though, they did in Vietnam, and it is totally frowned upon, and part of why so many guys came back screwed up. By the way, the first to experiment like that with their soldiers? Nazi Germany.


OK, but the decoder ring and the rubbers: all true.


Definitely, but you forgot the box of cracker jacks toy, the barrel of monkeys, and the crayons (set of 8)
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Listening to Space>Mojo Jam from 10/18/78.....just want to note that the MLB jam is at the end of the Mojo jam into Wharf Rat. NFA was not played on 10/18/78...

It's Mojo jam>MLB Jam>Mojo Jam> MLB jam it seems like....such a great 2nd set!

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Gopher wrote:
Listening to Space>Mojo Jam from 10/18/78.....just want to note that the MLB jam is at the end of the Mojo jam into Wharf Rat. NFA was not played on 10/18/78...

It's Mojo jam>MLB Jam>Mojo Jam> MLB jam it seems like....such a great 2nd set!


Yeah?
I haven't heard this show for a while so I will check it out sometime to verify. The Deadbase.com says that, but the deadlists.com doesn't make mention of it...
Deadbase says there is an MLB theme during the Mojo jam...
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A few more:
10/30/73 (this is the actual date of the one Duderino mentions)
9/14/74 (the last 1:44 before Wharf Rat)
10/18/78 (at the end of NFA)
10/22/78 (starting at about the 17:30 mark of NFA)

The 10/31/84 version is just Bob and only lasts a few bars. If you sneeze you miss it (in the last 20 seconds before they drop into Dew).

For me, the mind-blower has always been 12/2/73.


Hold on, I think you made a mistake here... 10/18/78 has no NFA, though it does have the MLBJ as pointed out by Gopher, it is in the "space" leading into Wharf Rat.
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Can't remember where I read it, but I have heard some claim that there is a MLB jam between CCS and IKYR on 6/26/74. I must admit that I do not know the specific chords in MLB jam but I do not hear even a hint of it on 6/26/74. Anybody hear this here? Regardless, this is an unusual one with the intro to CCS, similar to the intro to Ship of Fools on 6/23. Worth a listen or relisten if you have not done so. (Still referring to the 6/26/74 Intro > China Cat Sunflower > I know you Rider.
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Zephyr wrote:
A few more:
10/30/73 (this is the actual date of the one Duderino mentions)
9/14/74 (the last 1:44 before Wharf Rat)
10/18/78 (at the end of NFA)
10/22/78 (starting at about the 17:30 mark of NFA)

The 10/31/84 version is just Bob and only lasts a few bars. If you sneeze you miss it (in the last 20 seconds before they drop into Dew).

For me, the mind-blower has always been 12/2/73.


Hold on, I think you made a mistake here... 10/18/78 has no NFA, though it does have the MLBJ as pointed out by Gopher, it is in the "space" leading into Wharf Rat.


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Can't remember where I read it, but I have heard some claim that there is a MLB jam between CCS and IKYR on 6/26/74. I must admit that I do not know the specific chords in MLB jam but I do not hear even a hint of it on 6/26/74. Anybody hear this here? Regardless, this is an unusual one with the intro to CCS, similar to the intro to Ship of Fools on 6/23. Worth a listen or relisten if you have not done so. (Still referring to the 6/26/74 Intro > China Cat Sunflower > I know you Rider.


It is not a MLBJ. I think on the DP it is labeled Mud Love Buddy Jam or some such nonsense, but it is the usual jam they did in late 73 and 74 - the quasi UJB/feelin groovy jam.

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I think I found a quasi MLBJ in the 7/25/74 Darkstar. It's the same chord progression, but more exploratory at very choppy, manic pace. Starts around the 14:15 mark and goes for about a minute. Check it out and let me know what you think.

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I think I found a quasi MLBJ in the 7/25/74 Darkstar. It's the same chord progression, but more exploratory at very choppy, manic pace. Starts around the 14:15 mark and goes for about a minute. Check it out and let me know what you think.


Interesting. It seems to be mostly Bob. Thanks for giving me an excuse to plunge directly into the middle of a sweet Dark Star. Very Happy

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I may give the 7/25/74 one a relisten also. Have not listened to it for quite awhile. I liked it a lot at first, partly for the section discussed and partly for the Slipknot section at the end.

For you history/trivia buffs, I have a couple of questions about it. Feel free to answer or disregard. Is this the last Dark Star that had a Slipknot as part of it? I do not know of any later ones. I also remember it to be one that is instrumental only. If I am right on this, I wonder if it is the longest INSTRUMENTAL ONLY Dark Star.

My recollection also is that the Stella following Dark Star was rather rough at one point.
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So, 7/25/74, should I add it to the list in the initial post? Or not?
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So, 7/25/74, should I add it to the list in the initial post? Or not?


I vote no.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, 7/25/74, should I add it to the list in the initial post? Or not?
Listen to it. I'm not sure myself.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the jam before the drums on 10/20/84, I think Bobby plays the chord structure of MLB a couple of times but nobody bites. Somebody else mentioned this same thing on 10/31, which I have not heard. Thought I would suggest the 10/20 one, although I would vote no on it. It is a very good jam though, but only one of the highlights from this great show (one of my favs from 84 if not my first choice from the year)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, 7/25/74, should I add it to the list in the initial post? Or not?
Listen to it. I'm not sure myself.


Duderino thought about this for 68 days before responding, so you'd better take his advice to heart. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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in the jam before the drums on 10/20/84, I think Bobby plays the chord structure of MLB a couple of times but nobody bites. Somebody else mentioned this same thing on 10/31, which I have not heard. Thought I would suggest the 10/20 one, although I would vote no on it. It is a very good jam though, but only one of the highlights from this great show (one of my favs from 84 if not my first choice from the year)



The chord structure in that smooth Smokestack 10-20-84 is very similar, if probably not quite identical to the MLB progression. I put Carrier Dome in the top 5 or 6 shows of 1984, my favorite year.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10/31/84 has a very small MLB jam in it...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a brief MLB Jam during the Music Never Stopped from 10/3/76 from 3:54 - 4:50ish.

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The second set (SBD) from this show is pretty amazing!
China Cat tease in NFA around 10:30.....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the original list has been updated Gopher, thank you
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11/25/79 - Truckin'>MLBJ>Stella

.....it's not much more than 15 seconds, so it may only just be a footnote to your list

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a brief MLB Jam during the Music Never Stopped from 10/3/76 from 3:54 - 4:50ish.

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The second set (SBD) from this show is pretty amazing!
China Cat tease in NFA around 10:30.....


This one is pretty intriguing, especially since TMNS was written in 75 as the Boys were incorporating various jams from 72-74 into the songs on Blues for Allah. The MLB jam fits into the TMNS jam so well that it suggests the TMNS jam fell out of their fiddling with the MLB jam.

Thanks for catching this one, Gopher.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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11/25/79 - Truckin'>MLBJ>Stella

.....it's not much more than 15 seconds, so it may only just be a footnote to your list


Original list updated as such:
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11/25/79 *15 Seconds... found by CR79... anyone verify this?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest another one from 76, similar to the 10/3 one. It is from 9/30 with Music Never Stopped. This one sure sounds to me like it should be added to the list.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9/18/74 - about a minute into Caution Jam
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added to the list, thanks brother
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I'm not sure 11-25-79 should make the main list, it's more like a brief tease....perhaps there should be an appendix list for "MLB teases"....

A better example would be 9-6-79, going into Stella Blue, they take a little surprise detour into the MLB theme that's quite nice:
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

light into ashes wrote:
I'm not sure 11-25-79 should make the main list, it's more like a brief tease....perhaps there should be an appendix list for "MLB teases"....

A better example would be 9-6-79, going into Stella Blue, they take a little surprise detour into the MLB theme that's quite nice:
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The 11/25 does have the asterisk, like a Barry Bonds homerun ball.

I will add the 9/6 you mention. Thanks due.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/31/74 is my favorite i love how billy comes in and starts the mlb any others sound like this one?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A better example would be 9-6-79, going into Stella Blue, they take a little surprise detour into the MLB theme that's quite nice


Wow! Totally sweet. Very nice.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mylightning2 wrote:
7/31/74 is my favorite i love how billy comes in and starts the mlb any others sound like this one?

Well, you got the list above to work from... the ones from around that period are most likely to sound the most like that one.

I will recommend the Dark Star>MLB Jam>Eyes>China Doll for you, 11/11/73
Check it out immediately if you haven't before.

Maybe the best sequence ever...
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Yes, 9/6/79 is totally sweet - right as they're going into Stella Blue, Garcia plays the Mind Left Body theme for a while, but with the Stella chords....but they finally decide, with great reluctance, to do Stella after all.
Wish they'd done that more often. Closest thing I can think of is on 12/19/78, in the Stella jam when Garcia starts doing NFA with the Stella chords....it's like hearing two songs at once.

As for 7/31/74, the only other time they combined the MLB and Spanish Jams was on 10/17/74.
You can find descriptions of all the early MLBs here, to help pick your flavor:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for linking to that other thread. There are a bunch of versions cited there that are not on this thread's master list:

3/5/72: The MLB is going on behind Pig Pen from about 6:30 to 8:00 in the Good Love. I missed it on the first listen, but there it is: the first one.

4/8/72: Yup, that gorgeous jam at the end slowly coalesces into a proto-MLB jam that becomes unmistakable by about the 30 minute mark ("the 30 minute mark"!!! I LOVE this fucking band!).

9/21/73: It starts at about 10:30 in The Other One and becomes full-blown by 11:30.

12/18/73: It starts at about 7:45 of Dark Star and continues until about 9:30.

10/2/76: Starting at 3:55 in TMNS.

11/29/81: I heard Bob run through the chord progression twice at about six minutes into the post-He's Gone jam and then Jerry starts into it at about 8:30 and it lasts until 10:30.

8/17/91: Very brief; Jerry runs through the chord progression three times at about 8:30 into the post-He's Gone jam (1:30 prior to drums).

9/25/91: the first 1:30 of the TWBS track is a full-on MLB jam (!) (starts at about 0:25)

Thanks, light into ashes, for connecting us to our own group-memory, and thanks to a.j.craig for originally posting the info.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3/29/85 - before Baby What You Want

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3/28/88 - Brief MLB progression by Bobby during the 7th minute of Truckin.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear it too, but it sounds like Bob just kind of stumbled into it and then doesn't really embrace it. Certainly no one else joins in. It's a big dollop of slush with some MLB dribbled onto one side. Props on picking up on it, but I don't think it warrants being added to the list if only because a "jam" implies more than one person being involved (am I raising the bar here? Please make me stop.).

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(am I raising the bar here? Please make me stop.).


I would say you are going above and beyond. Which I personally encourage.
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I don't believe I've ever heard MLB referred to as such before....anyone??...Bueller??


"The vocals from Garcia are solid and inspired as the band creates a rolling, musical landscape.
Terrapin falls into a gorgeous, melodic jam titled Mud Love Buddy, featuring Garcia and Mydland before the drummers take over for their raucous tribal ceremony."

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I don't believe I've ever heard MLB referred to as such before....anyone??...Bueller??


"The vocals from Garcia are solid and inspired as the band creates a rolling, musical landscape.
Terrapin falls into a gorgeous, melodic jam titled Mud Love Buddy, featuring Garcia and Mydland before the drummers take over for their raucous tribal ceremony."

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That's what the title is on Dozin' but its MLBJ.

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I don't believe I've ever heard MLB referred to as such before....anyone??...Bueller??


"The vocals from Garcia are solid and inspired as the band creates a rolling, musical landscape.
Terrapin falls into a gorgeous, melodic jam titled Mud Love Buddy, featuring Garcia and Mydland before the drummers take over for their raucous tribal ceremony."

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That's what the title is on Dozin' but its MLBJ.


I think they did it this way to avoid attribution/royalty issues.

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True, because the Jefferson Airplane people, post airplane, had a song called "Your mind has left your body", and it has the same tune
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True, because the Jefferson Airplane people, post airplane, had a song called "Your mind has left your body", and it has the same tune


Not to mention that Jerry played guitar on that JA track.
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It's actually very cool song, overall, including the lyrics.
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Is there any difference between Mind Left Body Jam and Mud Love Buddy Jam? If I am right that is what it is called on Dozin At The Knick.
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Is there any difference between Mind Left Body Jam and Mud Love Buddy Jam? If I am right that is what it is called on Dozin At The Knick.


No difference. That was, as pointed out above, just for commercial licensing purposes... (I guess they didn't want to pay any royalties for loosely using the jam).
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Is there any difference between Mind Left Body Jam and Mud Love Buddy Jam? If I am right that is what it is called on Dozin At The Knick.


No difference. That was, as pointed out above, just for commercial licensing purposes... (I guess they didn't want to pay any royalties for loosely using the jam).


The funny thing about that was it was called Mind Left Body Jam on the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack.
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Even funnier that you can stream the original Your Mind Has Left Your Body for free on youtube.
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dogstarz wrote:
Is there any difference between Mind Left Body Jam and Mud Love Buddy Jam? If I am right that is what it is called on Dozin At The Knick.


No difference. That was, as pointed out above, just for commercial licensing purposes... (I guess they didn't want to pay any royalties for loosely using the jam).


The funny thing about that was it was called Mind Left Body Jam on the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack.

That is weird... different management, different accountants, different lawyers, etc... I don't think they should necessarily have to pay for using the theme to a loose jam segment, but it is what it is...
It speaks to the nature of the music business, that all the above professionals are needed... what band starting out can afford all that?
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Kochman wrote:
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Is there any difference between Mind Left Body Jam and Mud Love Buddy Jam? If I am right that is what it is called on Dozin At The Knick.


No difference. That was, as pointed out above, just for commercial licensing purposes... (I guess they didn't want to pay any royalties for loosely using the jam).


The funny thing about that was it was called Mind Left Body Jam on the Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack.

That is weird... different management, different accountants, different lawyers, etc... I don't think they should necessarily have to pay for using the theme to a loose jam segment, but it is what it is...


The Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack got released later. Maybe the JA gang reached out and said enough is enough, etc.

I notice that its presence on Dick's Picks Vol 14 (12/2/73) goes unacknowledged altogether ("Jam").

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I was listening to the jam after truckin from 6/16/74. This is a really interesting jam that goes in a lot of different directions. I am not sure, but I think starting around the 8 1/2 minute mark and going on for a couple of years is a MLB jam. Anyone want to verify this or reject it?

I am curious about what people think of this jam and, more generally, the show as a whole. I certainly has some huge highlights with the Eyes>Big River, the Playin, which I love, and the aforementioned jam.
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Damn my sports inclinations! Every time I see MLB on this post, I think of Major League Baseball!
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rgerbel wrote:
I was listening to the jam after truckin from 6/16/74. This is a really interesting jam that goes in a lot of different directions. I am not sure, but I think starting around the 8 1/2 minute mark and going on for a couple of years is a MLB jam. Anyone want to verify this or reject it?

I am curious about what people think of this jam and, more generally, the show as a whole. I certainly has some huge highlights with the Eyes>Big River, the Playin, which I love, and the aforementioned jam.

Anyone else?
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I was listening to the jam after truckin from 6/16/74. This is a really interesting jam that goes in a lot of different directions. I am not sure, but I think starting around the 8 1/2 minute mark and going on for a couple of years is a MLB jam. Anyone want to verify this or reject it?

I am curious about what people think of this jam and, more generally, the show as a whole. I certainly has some huge highlights with the Eyes>Big River, the Playin, which I love, and the aforementioned jam.


This show is in my top 2 or 3 of 1974. Another highlight is a sick China>Rider. Yes, that post truckin jam is great

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I was listening to the jam after truckin from 6/16/74. This is a really interesting jam that goes in a lot of different directions. I am not sure, but I think starting around the 8 1/2 minute mark and going on for a couple of monutes is a MLB jam. Anyone want to verify this or reject it?

I am curious about what people think of this jam and, more generally, the show as a whole. I certainly has some huge highlights with the Eyes>Big River, the Playin, which I love, and the aforementioned jam.

Anyone else?


So, what is the determination here? Rob, you should give it a listen if you have not heard it. Although the jam is not as good as your, and my favorite of 6/28, it is a very good one, indeed.

Good call, Dude, on the China Rider from 6/16. The power chords Jerry plays during the transition are interesting and I do not remember him doing something like this on another version.

By the way, I did not mean to say that this part of the jam went on for a couple of "years" in my original post on this issue. My bad and I do not have a clue how or why I wrote "years" rather than "minutes" as I was not in a mind-altered state at the time.
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I've definitely heard it, I just haven't had time to give it another listen... I only get to 2-3 shows a week, and one of those is during the LP...
This week I haven't even heard a show yet!!!

I figured one of these others would know off the top of their heads.
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This week I haven't even heard a show yet!!!


This site is for Deadheads only. Get with the program. Consider yourself on probation.

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This week I haven't even heard a show yet!!!


This site is for Deadheads only. Get with the program. Consider yourself on probation.

Hold the phone, UWWRFOB listed the GD as his most hated group, and you are getting on me? And, Mr. Z, when was the last time you were at a LP?
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And, Mr. Z, when was the last time you were at a LP?
Probation.


"Listening" to the Dead is SO old school and time consuming. These days I just stare at the binary code.

Here's that gnarly note from 6/28/74:


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Seeking confirmation of a very brief MLB, just by Garcia, at 4/9/83. It happens in the last 40 seconds of the outro from Throwing Stones, and morphs into, of all things, a Black-Throated Wind riff, before settling into Black Peter.

Please tell me I'm not crazy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
Seeking confirmation of a very brief MLB, just by Garcia, at 4/9/83. It happens in the last 40 seconds of the outro from Throwing Stones, and morphs into, of all things, a Black-Throated Wind riff, before settling into Black Peter.

Please tell me I'm not crazy.

Confirmed, but you are crazy Razz
That's pretty cool - an early version of this tune, they don't really sing "Ashes to Ashes" over and over - just slides into the breif MLBJ, and yes, Jerry definitely does the BTW lick. Very cool. I was at this show and had a blast, but have not listened to it in years. Some sloppy moments but a fun and interesting show.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zephyr wrote:
Seeking confirmation of a very brief MLB, just by Garcia, at 4/9/83. It happens in the last 40 seconds of the outro from Throwing Stones, and morphs into, of all things, a Black-Throated Wind riff, before settling into Black Peter.

Please tell me I'm not crazy.

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That's pretty cool - an early version of this tune, they don't really sing "Ashes to Ashes" over and over - just slides into the breif MLBJ, and yes, Jerry definitely does the BTW lick. Very cool. I was at this show and had a blast, but have not listened to it in years. Some sloppy moments but a fun and interesting show.


Thanks for the confirmation. I detected the Black-Throated Wind riff as I was crossing the street and it nearly got me killed. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Duderino wrote:
Listened to 10/20/73 this morning. Very good one that splits a Darkstar.

How the hell did I miss this...
This would be the 2nd according to deadbase, the first being 10/19/73... but my records here show that it was played well before that... see the original post.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Duderino wrote:
Listened to 10/20/73 this morning. Very good one that splits a Darkstar.

How the hell did I miss this...
This would be the 2nd according to deadbase, the first being 10/19/73... but my records here show that it was played well before that... see the original post.

This would be a very cool find if the Dead had actually played a concert on 10/20/73. Duderino was probably listening to 10/19.

Koch: don't forget to check out 4/9/83 (see above).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my humble opinion...
4/9/83 Throwing Stones outro has an interesting little jam that includes the oh so noteworthy chord progression of the Major League Baseball Jam.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 8 72 is on the list. Is that the Dark Star-Sugar Magnolia bridge? That one doesn't really sound like a mind left body jam, or does it?
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I don't remember actually... anyone?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4 8 72 is on the list. Is that the Dark Star-Sugar Magnolia bridge? That one doesn't really sound like a mind left body jam, or does it?


My opinion, back on Dec. 2, was:
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4/8/72: Yup, that gorgeous jam at the end slowly coalesces into a proto-MLB jam that becomes unmistakable by about the 30 minute mark ("the 30 minute mark"!!! I LOVE this fucking band!).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cheesebeer wrote:
4 8 72 is on the list. Is that the Dark Star-Sugar Magnolia bridge? That one doesn't really sound like a mind left body jam, or does it?


My opinion, back on Dec. 2, was:
The Godlike and Infallible Zephyr Montego wrote:
4/8/72: Yup, that gorgeous jam at the end slowly coalesces into a proto-MLB jam that becomes unmistakable by about the 30 minute mark ("the 30 minute mark"!!! I LOVE this fucking band!).


The 3 23 72 Academy of Music Dark Star, the one previous to 4 8 72 and which could be a better Dark Star, has a very similar jam at the end starting at 16:30. It has shades of Feelin Groovy though besides the general stylings of the Wembley Dark Star jam. I would be interested in thoughts from TGI Zephyr Montego. Is this a proto MLB jam?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll check it out and get back to you. I love that Dark Star both on its own merits and because it's a "stand-alone" rendition that has both a cold start and a full-stop ending. In that way it is unique.

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doesn't culminate in that jam. It's pretty awesome still.
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doesn't culminate in that jam. It's pretty awesome still.


Yup and Yup. The jam is a close derivative of the Feeling Groovy jam. I like the Sugar Maggish jam it evolves into. It's all pretty unique and fantastic

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