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Do you think drums/space should have been part of every show?
Yes
90%
 90%  [ 9 ]
No
10%
 10%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:57 pm    Post subject: Drums and space- poll and discussion Reply with quote

Whats up guys? It's been a while since I have posted and this topic has been on my mind for a few days now so I figured I would write a post about it.

First of all the poll question. Do you think the Grateful Dead should have incorporated drums/space into every show, or do you think that time was wasted and could have been used to play other things.

Now the discussion: I was never a big fan of the drums/space portion of the shows until I got older and started to appreciate them. I always looked at it as a waste of time, that could have been used playing other songs. As I get older and listen to shows I find myself enjoying the drums/space portion more and more. I almost get into a meditative state when I am not doing anything else, and I have my eyes closed and just listen with headphones on. I was actually at this show, but so far by far my favorite drums/space was 4/8/88 at the Worcester Centrum in MA. I went to all three night (4/7, 4/8, and 4/9). The 4/8/88 show was really short but the more I listen to the drums/space that night it just trips me the hell out. The sounds they used are just amazing. If any of you guys can suggest any other drums/spaces that a really "out there" I would love to hear about them so I can check them out for myself.

Also, no one yet seems to know the answer to a question that I asked about 2 years ago. When was the first drums/space? What I mean by that, is what was the first show that they added it to the second set and then from that point on continued to do it at every show.

I look forward to hearing what you all you say. As I said above I haven't posted in a while, so I hope you guys out there are all doing well and life is going good for you all. Until next time......

Peace And b Wild......
Mike

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first I thought it was a waste, then I began to realize that when I was at a show in the right frame of mind, it really added a dimension to the shows that took them to another level. There were actually a few where it saved it for me. It was often a huge mental relief when it was over, making some lame post drums segments more enjoyable.

A decent example is that Cap Centre 9/12/87. It was tight until D/S but then they created a level of tension that totally built into Dew. If you listen on HP you can hear a dude scream out at the tail end. In my notes I wrote during the show I put that "A voice screams out for all." It released all the twisted energy they had built up to that point through that one dude.

Check out 6/30/86. D/S is part of why I think that is such a hot show. It rained a little, and they used that as a theme and then ripped it into some really twisted stuff. '89 also had some ripping good spaces. I think some of those Alpines were good examples.

Atlanta spring '88 was the first quadraphonic show. That was same tour as Worcester. If you can find a good matrix or Aud of that, they do some cool stuff with it during the whole 2nd set. It does not come through very well on the board I have, but the Aud. tape I got after the show is a good representation. I was at that too and dubbed it the 'tidy bowl' b/c they swirled the sound like that the whole 2nd set.

The mid 80s had some cool melodic themes that were as good as anything in the show. I also liked 'the machine' theme that they did in the early 90s. It allowed the lights to really bust out.

I was at the Worcester shows too. I will have to revisit as I don't remember the D/S there. I remember the freaky people from VT in the giant red bus trying to recruit us all to their weirdness though. They did it everywhere, but it seemed like they were particularly aggressive at these shows though. I will have to go through my stuff and pull out their flyer.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without question "yes". 90 minutes + of playing is taxing on the body. It was a great way to rotate the troops and allow a breather (especially for the drummers). It's either D > S , or an abbreviated second set.

It also provided the audience the break for bathroom, a soft pretzel, or just a chance to sit down on the blanket and gather your space after a hard set and a half of heavy tripping.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GracefulDuck wrote:
Without question "yes". 90 minutes + of playing is taxing on the body. It was a great way to rotate the troops and allow a breather (especially for the drummers). It's either D > S , or an abbreviated second set.

It also provided the audience the break for bathroom, a soft pretzel, or just a chance to sit down on the blanket and gather your space after a hard set and a half of heavy tripping.

Agreed with Duck 100%.
It's not just a "break", but a very cerebral journey that basically made them "psychedelic" to the max... and not just a jam band.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

11/3/84

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Koch the D>S segment is (to me) a fundamental "balance" and also ... I can't really get into the post Space songs without a listening to what happened during the Drums and Space section. Very important to me ...

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