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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: 5-9-77......This is my Point Reply with quote

Ok...so here is my point. I'm listening to 5-9-77 right now. I haven't listened to this show in quite a while, so I was looking for a show that I haven't heard in a while, and came across this gem. The point I'm trying to make is that everyone talks about 5-8-77. but I have never come across a thread or a discussion about 5-9-77. I know that we have discussed the 5-8-77 (best show debate), before but this just goes to show you, that there are shows out there, from the same year even, where the playing was just as good, if not better.
The Help-Slipknot-Franklin's is incredible, and the jamming that they are doing with it is something that you would usually hear during the second set, and very rarely in the first set.
I don't know, I think this show is incredible, and equally as good as the night before, if not better. I mean you can tell that the band was firing on all cylinders in 1977. It was like they finally figured out who they were, and just went with it.
So I'm looking for opinions again. Figured this would possibly start a really good discussion. Twisted Evil
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Bam.....http://lostsailorpub.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=507&mforum=lostsailorpub

Check out the different era threads. There is a whole bunch of stuff we have all compiled that is just ripe for picking.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get what you are saying about checking out that thread for more information but...I am just trying to make a point here. I started a thread a while back about 5/8/77 and whether or not itbwas the "best" grateful dead a how ever. I got quite a few different opinions with most of them saying it was. My opinion is that yes, it is an incredible show and one of the best, but that there were other shows out there that were better, orvas good. I think I cited 2/26/77....first terrapin, amd estimated, and 5/25/77 at the mosque.
When I was going through shows tonight to find a show that I hadn't heard in a while, I stumbled onto 5/9/77. Then I started thinking....shit this was the next night. I still got that same vibe from it. The playing was nice and tight, the song selection was incredible, and in my opinion it was just as good as 5/8/77.
So I'm looking for people to weigh in with their opinion because I think this thread could turn into an awesome discussion. Rolling Eyes
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Yes, this is a great show. Surprised you just stumbled upon it. Very different from the previous night - First set is probably stronger than 5/8, but Set II is a little more "standard" in terms of its structure and although well played, lacks the intensity of 5/8. I have not listened to it in a long time though so my mind could change. With this tour and in 77 in general, we are blessed to be able to hear a ridiculous number of killer shows. Have you ever checked out 5/7/77 Boston Garden?? Another sicko show.

The below show one of my faves of the year. I think it is only available in AUD, but a decent sounding one. The jam sequence in the 2nd half of Set II is ridiculous.

06-04-77 The Forum, Inglewood, Ca. (Sat)
1: Promised, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, Peggy-O, Jack Straw, FOTD, Lazy Lightning> Supplication, Candyman, Minglewood, B. E. Women, Music
2: Samson, Ship Of Fools, Estimated> Eyes> Drums> Good Lovin, Terrapin> Playin> Franklin's> China Doll> NFA> Playin E: Saturday Night

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't that I just "stumbled" onto 5/9/77. I have had it for years and listen to it often. It was just a show that I haven't listened to in a while and when I started listening to, I felt compelled to write to start another 5/8/77 discussion, and let everyone know what I have been trying to say.
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5-9-77 is out of this world. I cant agree more with you. And I know it has been well documented that 5-8-77 was just the right show at the right time when the tapers got a hold of it. It was great quality considering, and it was good show. I think shows that came out like 5-8-77 are always going to get more acclaim cause of this. Take 8-27-1972it was just good quality tape that made this show so popular. In my honest opinion 9-23. 9-26 thru 28, and the Nassau run all in 72 are better than 8-27-72. But what the SDB sound quality of these shows were not as good a 8-27-72, and being a Betty Board just helped it get more fame.

As for 77 everyone talks about May 77, what about November. Colgate 11-04 is completely insane good. To me its better than 5-7, 5-8, and 5-9. Now they played maybe half the amount of show in November but still everyone is great. 11-6 Boone County is a show I just listened to last week that killed it. But I have noticed that all the November shows that I have got are not anywhere as good of quality are the May run.

You think about the casual Dead listener, and then think about us. We are willing to listen to an 11-6 that is a somewhat bad recording and really let ourselves get into it. Where as the casual listener is looking for what you would get at the store. I want to hear something that is mixed professionally and want to sing along to the songs as they drive to grandmas cabin, where we want to escape and take a journey and analyze Jerry's guitar playing, and listen to the funky thing Phil is doing coming out of Dark Star. I bet many casual dead listeners never make it to the 2nd set, or skip Drums, Space cause they are not songs to them. You need to look at that and realize the millions of people who vote for or reply to the question of Whats the best Dead Concert? on google and understand the probably 50% of those people are not like you and I and people wanting the Answer does not want to listen to a 10-31-80, which is a classic great show, but rough recording.They want to hear 5-8-77. Thats my thoughts alittle redundant and I like to ramble. lol.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't agree with you more. I went through a phase where I was a huge soundboard snob. I loved being able to hear every note and really get into how the boys played. Now I would much rather have an excellent audience recording because I can still hear every note of the band, but I also get to feel the energy of the crowd.
5/8/77 still rocks out to, especially the second set. When you listen to, you can see how the boys just had it together that night. It is magical to listen to. My point that I was trying to make is that as magical as that show is, there are still other shows out there that are justbas magical, and 5/9/77 happens to be one of those shows.
I agree that the average person who is a casual listener of the band wants to hear perfect sounding shows. In their defense they probably never got to see the band live, and therefore can not appreciate their magic.
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I can't agree with you more. I went through a phase where I was a huge soundboard snob. I loved being able to hear every note and really get into how the boys played. Now I would much rather have an excellent audience recording because I can still hear every note of the band, but I also get to feel the energy of the crowd.
5/8/77 still rocks out to, especially the second set. When you listen to, you can see how the boys just had it together that night. It is magical to listen to. My point that I was trying to make is that as magical as that show is, there are still other shows out there that are justbas magical, and 5/9/77 happens to be one of those shows.
I agree that the average person who is a casual listener of the band wants to hear perfect sounding shows. In their defense they probably never got to see the band live, and therefore can not appreciate their magic.
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5/9/77 is a little bit slow-tempo'd for me in certain key songs like Help/Slip/Franklin and Estimated. Speed it up boys! See 6/9/77 for better versions of songs played 5/9.

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Thank you for the suggestion. I will dig out that show tomorrow. It's funny because I have listened to all these shows for years but now that I am discussing them with people I am listening to them in a whole new light. So thank you all, and I hope you all had a great holiday
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If I had to rank the three:

1. 5/8/77
2. 5/7/77(not far behind)
3. 5/9/77 (pretty far behind the pack)

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I guess the point that I am continually trying to make is, that while 5/8/77 is an incredible show, it is not the best grateful dead show ever. The second set is incredible, and while I would not say it is not one of the best shows ever, I have a hard time labeling something as being "the best".
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I've never heard anyone on a GD forum claim 5/8/77 as the best show ever, but all acknowledge it as a great show.

But, us forum heads are a rare breed.

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That's interesting because I have heard time and time again that 5/8/77 is " the best " grateful dead show ever. My theory of this is because it was widely available as a Betty board and it just became know as "the best". I do think that the second set is amazing, but of the three (5/7, 5/8 and 5/9), I prefer 5/9 as an all around better show. This of course is my opinion and we all have our own opinions.
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That's interesting because I have heard time and time again that 5/8/77 is " the best " grateful dead show ever. My theory of this is because it was widely available as a Betty board and it just became know as "the best". I do think that the second set is amazing, but of the three (5/7, 5/8 and 5/9), I prefer 5/9 as an all around better show. This of course is my opinion and we all have our own opinions.

The "best show ever" is from the media. It was in a few lists in magazines and maybe online, from self professed "experts" - i.e. music critics or flacks that fancy themselves deadheads and had this recording, and decided it was "best".
Also it may have been taken from an old Deadbase poll, prior to the unleashing of the Archive.
Again, it is sooooo subjective. Pretty much every year had a different sound and different feel to it, so it depends on what gets you off. Is 11/11/73 better than 5/8/77 is better than 5/15/70 is better than 4/29/71 is better than 8/28/81????????? The list is endless.
BTW, Ksail101, I love Fall 77. The setlists got a little more standardized, but the playing is a lot more powerful than the Spring. 9/3, 9/29, 10/11, 10/16, 10/29, 11/2 through 11/6 bring it in spades (although I think Sunrise put Jerry to sleep because the Scarlet>Fire is pretty freakin weak)

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yeah, I'm no expert, but I think 5/8's "best ever" rep came long before mainstream media bothered writing about such things. I'm a relatively young head (31) and got into trading in the early 90's pre-internet (well, for me at least), and even then I remember 5/8/77 being touted as The Show -- I didn't have access to much, but I knew about it very early on: Relix, Deadbase, every other head I knew, etc.

But heck, I live in Ithaca, which officially declared May 8 to be Grateful Dead Day a few years back, so what do I know? Smile
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See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.
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nickJ wrote:
yeah, I'm no expert, but I think 5/8's "best ever" rep came long before mainstream media bothered writing about such things. I'm a relatively young head (31) and got into trading in the early 90's pre-internet (well, for me at least), and even then I remember 5/8/77 being touted as The Show -- I didn't have access to much, but I knew about it very early on: Relix, Deadbase, every other head I knew, etc.

But heck, I live in Ithaca, which officially declared May 8 to be Grateful Dead Day a few years back, so what do I know? Smile

I guess this calls into question the meaning of the term "mainstream media"...
I think, for the GD, the internet archive REVOLUTIONIZED the listening scene... all the sudden, we had it all! Before that... the existing "mainstream media" clearly considered 5/8 to be the shizzle. Now? I kind of consider, in the GD world at least, the IA to be the mainstream media.
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Kochman wrote:
nickJ wrote:
yeah, I'm no expert, but I think 5/8's "best ever" rep came long before mainstream media bothered writing about such things. I'm a relatively young head (31) and got into trading in the early 90's pre-internet (well, for me at least), and even then I remember 5/8/77 being touted as The Show -- I didn't have access to much, but I knew about it very early on: Relix, Deadbase, every other head I knew, etc.

But heck, I live in Ithaca, which officially declared May 8 to be Grateful Dead Day a few years back, so what do I know? Smile

I guess this calls into question the meaning of the term "mainstream media"...
I think, for the GD, the internet archive REVOLUTIONIZED the listening scene... all the sudden, we had it all! Before that... the existing "mainstream media" clearly considered 5/8 to be the shizzle. Now? I kind of consider, in the GD world at least, the IA to be the mainstream media.


I seriously remember reading an "Entertainment Weekly" in the early or mid-90's when I was at eating lunch in our breakroom at work and it had something about 5/8/77 being rated as "best show ever" - I had the tape and thought it was, indeed, pretty smoking but that is kind of ridiculous. I want to know who is responsible for this????!!!!! Mad

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See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.
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colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.
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Hey, if they're not kicking royalties back to the GD machine, well, they probably will be soon. Uncool? I'm going with Kochman's Beethoven analogy on this one. If you want an "interpretation" rather than the original, then go for it.
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lucasmcain wrote:
colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.


The thing is Koch that there are no original recordings of Beethoven the only thing the world has is the written down music notes. You can't listen to the original. I mean if you want to go listen to DSO and you have a good time and everything great! I get that it's a fun experience.

But why on earth would you want to spend money on a recording when you can actually listen to the original thing for free? It's not like they are reinventing the music, adding their own twists or takes on the tunes. It's a copy. It makes no sense to me.
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lucasmcain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.


The thing is Koch that there are no original recordings of Beethoven the only thing the world has is the written down music notes. You can't listen to the original. I mean if you want to go listen to DSO and you have a good time and everything great! I get that it's a fun experience.

But why on earth would you want to spend money on a recording when you can actually listen to the original thing for free? It's not like they are reinventing the music, adding their own twists or takes on the tunes. It's a copy. It makes no sense to me.

Also weird is the fact that people record them. Wow I'd really love to listen to that DSO show from the State Theatre in 2007 - they did 8/6/74.It was much better than the Dead! Laughing

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Now that's just weird Shocked

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lucasmcain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.


The thing is Koch that there are no original recordings of Beethoven the only thing the world has is the written down music notes. You can't listen to the original. I mean if you want to go listen to DSO and you have a good time and everything great! I get that it's a fun experience.

But why on earth would you want to spend money on a recording when you can actually listen to the original thing for free? It's not like they are reinventing the music, adding their own twists or takes on the tunes. It's a copy. It makes no sense to me.

Oh, believe me, it boggles my mind that anyone would pay for it... I guess it has to do with people having been as said show, and enjoying it immensely... that's probably the only way I could even vaguely consider downloading a DSO show, much less paying! I mean, hello!
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Now that's just weird Shocked

I hope you noted the sarcasm in my post... Smile

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Duderino wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.


The thing is Koch that there are no original recordings of Beethoven the only thing the world has is the written down music notes. You can't listen to the original. I mean if you want to go listen to DSO and you have a good time and everything great! I get that it's a fun experience.

But why on earth would you want to spend money on a recording when you can actually listen to the original thing for free? It's not like they are reinventing the music, adding their own twists or takes on the tunes. It's a copy. It makes no sense to me.

Also weird is the fact that people record them. Wow I'd really love to listen to that DSO show from the State Theatre in 2007 - they did 8/6/74.It was much better than the Dead! Laughing
Noted and filed. Hey I just recorded myself playing Candyman...Wanna buy it Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, this is a great show. Surprised you just stumbled upon it. Very different from the previous night - First set is probably stronger than 5/8, but Set II is a little more "standard" in terms of its structure and although well played, lacks the intensity of 5/8. I have not listened to it in a long time though so my mind could change. With this tour and in 77 in general, we are blessed to be able to hear a ridiculous number of killer shows. Have you ever checked out 5/7/77 Boston Garden?? Another sicko show.

The below show one of my faves of the year. I think it is only available in AUD, but a decent sounding one. The jam sequence in the 2nd half of Set II is ridiculous.

06-04-77 The Forum, Inglewood, Ca. (Sat)
1: Promised, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, Peggy-O, Jack Straw, FOTD, Lazy Lightning> Supplication, Candyman, Minglewood, B. E. Women, Music
2: Samson, Ship Of Fools, Estimated> Eyes> Drums> Good Lovin, Terrapin> Playin> Franklin's> China Doll> NFA> Playin E: Saturday Night


Right on about 6/4/77. This is one of my favorites from the year. The NFA breaks the sound barrier and is quite a contrast out of China Doll, which is very good. I also love the transition from playin into Franklins, at least if my memory serves me well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: You all missed my point apparently Reply with quote

I own DSO recordings and love listening to their interpretations. What I was trying to say is they were marketing that particular CD as "the famous 5/8/77" show. They don't market any of their other CDs that way. That's all I was saying. .
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I own DSO recordings and love listening to their interpretations. What I was trying to say is they were marketing that particular CD as "the famous 5/8/77" show. They don't market any of their other CDs that way. That's all I was saying. .

How ironic.

I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "the famous 5/8/77 show", in fact, it's kind of a joke that they wrote that, and I think they meant it to be a joke... I could certainly be wrong, but either way, I find it funny... AND... there is certainly no denying that show is the most widely known amongst the superficial level fans... That and EUROPE 72 of course...

Not that fans of either are uninitiated...
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lucasmcain wrote:
colonialsrv wrote:
See thats what I'm talking about. I mean look at dark star orchestra. I love them. I think they are great...but they are selling a 3 disc set featuring....you guessed it the "famous" show played on 5/8/77. Again, there is no two ways about it, 5/8/77, is an awesome show. But...it has become almost an urban legend. If I was a newbie, who just starting trading and getting into the dead, I would absolutely want to hear and get a copy of 5/8/77, but there are other shows that I would want to hear first.



Wait a minute here......DSO is actually selling copies of their interpretations of shows and people are ACTUALLY buying them?????!!!!!!

There is no hope. This may be the most depressing thing I have heard in the last 10 years.

You make a good point... that is very uncool in a way...
But, at the same time... how much are they charging?

What I mean is, you can get reproductions of the many great compositions of one Ludwig von Beethoven for very cheap, because there are no music labels to pay, etc...

While they are reproducing shows, they are still their own... I am sure that Bobby will try to go after the DSO's profits, if any.


Now the classical music is another issue as for Bach or Beethoven you can't comapre the "cheep" editions from local orchestras with for example a fine 3rd symphony "Eroica" of the prime Van Karajan with the Berliner. Please Koch try to compare the 2 interpretations and you will see what I mean! ... and don't choose the late era Van Karajan (the nice looking Gold editions of the Deuche Gramophon), I talk about the executions from the 50s!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is true...
I wouldn't buy the local barbershop renditions of Beethoven....
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Yes, it is true...
I wouldn't buy the local barbershop renditions of Beethoven....


I knew that the Veneto influence ... at least for Vivaldi and Albinoni music have left a mark in you!

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tizi wrote:
Kochman wrote:
Yes, it is true...
I wouldn't buy the local barbershop renditions of Beethoven....


I knew that the Veneto influence ... at least for Vivaldi and Albinoni music have left a mark in you!

Indeed... but Beethoven is my classical music hero... The man was def for crying out loud! That means, all that beauty and energy and passion... it was all completely in his head.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kochman wrote:
Yes, it is true...
I wouldn't buy the local barbershop renditions of Beethoven....


I knew that the Veneto influence ... at least for Vivaldi and Albinoni music have left a mark in you!

Indeed... but Beethoven is my classical music hero... The man was def for crying out loud! That means, all that beauty and energy and passion... it was all completely in his head.


You are a deadhead .... you have to try with J.S. Bach ... belive me!!! Not the organ works ... try with the Brandenburg concertos. You know the art of rhe contrapunkt .... just tell me what kind of classical you prefer (piano solo, musica dacamera, or orchestral music).

Beethoven ... which is your favourite symphony ... I love the n.3. Eroica!!!

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The 9th, easily...
Have you seen the movie "Immortal Beloved" by the way?/

I am familiar with much Bach, including the Brandenburg Concertos... he was awesome, a trail blazer... but no one beats Beethoven in my mind.
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We've actually discussed this show numerous times, I can't remember where or I'd link. I seem to remember Duderino being involved. Anyway I was talking May 77 a lot last summer, and this certainly came up. Also, just a few threads down from here somebody lists it as their favorite show of the entire Keith era. And I am pretty sure nobody on this board ever said they thought 5/8/77 was the greatest show of all time.
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bzfgt wrote:
We've actually discussed this show numerous times, I can't remember where or I'd link. I seem to remember Duderino being involved. Anyway I was talking May 77 a lot last summer, and this certainly came up. Also, just a few threads down from here somebody lists it as their favorite show of the entire Keith era. And I am pretty sure nobody on this board ever said they thought 5/8/77 was the greatest show of all time.

Well, it did get second billing in last year's March Deadness!
I bet it will be the perennial 2nd place... not sure if Chinarider79 is still around to run that though anyhow...
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I never said that anyone on this board said it was the best show. I'm simply saying that for example you google best grateful dead show.....guess what comes up? So someone thinks the show is the best!!!!
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That was my point actually, almost 1/2 the people here thought it was pretty damn good... if it came in 2nd.
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I agree with others on this board that the first set is just so so. I also agree that set II is probably one of the best music ever played and recorded. The dew alone makes it all worth it. I guess I wonder how this show became so "legendary" in the first place. Is it because it was one of the first Betty boards put into circulation? Did deadheads really think this show is the "best show"?, or don't know what. I am simply saying that I for one am a huge fan of 1977 dead. But, I also think if you are looking at a complete show there are other shows from 1977 that IMHO are better shows. For example just the terrapin and estimated alone I prefer to listen to 2/26/77. What are the opinions of all of you guys on the board. What complete show do you think is the best from 77. I mean even the mosque show from 5/25/77, or even 5/9/77 is better as complete shows IMO. I'm just curious as to other opinions out there.
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Gotta love the Lazy Lightning>Supplication from the Mosque, one of my alltime favorite versions of that song. Could be because it was one of the first '77 shows i got and hadnt heard the tune often previously, so there is a special attachment. Most people have based their opinions on the "top shows" off those special memories and vibes they got through listening of something beyond this universe that the dead channel. In a year like 77 where everything drips it boils down to the individual and how one particular show changed his or her existence for good. Thats a beautiful thing though, we all have that show that gives us that "this is the ONE" vibe, but then again with the dead its tough because nearly every show likely gives more or less everybody on this forum that vibe. Some nights are better than others but 77 is so damn good, its tough to place emphasis on any one night, just gotta hear it all and keep listening. I love 77 its definatly a top 3 year, but IMO 73 is my personal heaven, i find myself spending more time in 73 than any year, including the one we exist in at this moment.
Havnt posted in awhile, hope this was somewhat relivant, its all one persons opinion, but i love reading everything posted on here by everybody taking part because it reminds me of how wonderful their music was and still is, pleanty of artists affect the hearts of millions but there is something very special about the connection between a deadhead and the music.

Well sorry if i went on a little long, but [CENSORED] man if it wasnt for this music many of our lives would be colorless and meaningless. That and i guess i was just in the mood to state how much the dead has changed my life for the better and pretty sure this is as good a place as any.

On a side note i listened to that forum show from June, all i can say is hell yes.
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Good to see you again jimmyjazz Cool

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So for the hell of it I googled the best grateful dead show ever. I ended up on some grateful dead forum which was the first thing I found and here was the posting.


At the archive.org site, you must check out the May 1977 Barton Hall (Cornell Univ.) shows. The band was in such a funky mood. Just listen a few times and you'll be hooked. Especially They Love Each Other, Row Jimmy, and the Dancin in the Streets version is the greatest song of all time. It makes my eyes tear up; although, when the song begins Jerry starts singing early. Many people hate when the Dead had a female singing with them, but here she's perfect! Also, Archive.org won't let you download the better Dead shows anymore, so you'll have to find them elsewhere, but you can listen there.

So I'm not saying that people on this forum think this, but I wanted to show you guys that there are definitely people that do believe that it is the greatest show the dead ever did.
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... but I think that Barton Hall is "the" show to suggest to friends whi have never listened to the GD in their life ... in Europe almost nobody knows about them ... most people think (because of the name) that they are a trash metal band Laughing

So ... I oftne give them this very show with DP4 good song selections and very nice jams ... not the best but excellent starters!

By the way I have listened not more that 4 - 5 times Barton hall ... mostly beacuse of the hype publicity ... this is not good either!

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I agree with others on this board that the first set is just so so. I also agree that set II is probably one of the best music ever played and recorded. The dew alone makes it all worth it. I guess I wonder how this show became so "legendary" in the first place. Is it because it was one of the first Betty boards put into circulation? Did deadheads really think this show is the "best show"?, or don't know what. I am simply saying that I for one am a huge fan of 1977 dead. But, I also think if you are looking at a complete show there are other shows from 1977 that IMHO are better shows. For example just the terrapin and estimated alone I prefer to listen to 2/26/77. What are the opinions of all of you guys on the board. What complete show do you think is the best from 77. I mean even the mosque show from 5/25/77, or even 5/9/77 is better as complete shows IMO. I'm just curious as to other opinions out there.



I'll take 6-9-77 Winterland as the best complete show of the year. I can see the appeal of 5/8 Cornell, undoubtedly a great show - but honestly I don't get the hype about 5/9 that much. Outside of a superb Estimated-OtherOne and nice Comes a Time, it doesn't have much to offer. The Help/Slip/Franklin's is played at too slow of a tempo I as mentioned before, and the Bertha-GoodLovin is inexcusably slow. What is there to enjoy about a slow Bertha (nothing)?!?!

To summarize, 5/8 easily better than 5/9, but not the best show of the year and thus not one of the best shows of all time either. 5/9 I believe to be one of the worst shows of that tour.

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Funny thing is I would take 6/9/77 over 5/8/77 anyway. I wonder why the band never made an official release of 5/8/77? It's not like they didn't have a great copy or anything. They had a Betty board for crying out loud. I don't know....I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this whole thing with everyone bashing each other and all that kind of bullshit. I just thought it was an interesting subject to talk about. On top of that whether everyone on here likes it or not, we are all entitled to our own opinions. I may Love a a how that everyone else hates. I think there were some shows in 83 that deserve way more credit than 5/8/77 ever received. I still listen to 5/8/77 all the time and love the show. As much as I love the show however I cannot in good conscious say I think it is the best show ever....

I don't even think it would be possible for there to be a best show ever, unless each of us had the opportunity to have sit with band and came up with our own perfect setlist. Even that wouldn't have made it possible because after we picked out the setlist the songs we picked would have had to have been played how we would want them to be played. For example I would include Jack Straw in my setlist but I would want it to be a rocking version like 3/3/87, and not a mellow version like the early 70s.

Hopefully you guys all get what I mean. I was just trying to start a discussion up that would generate some thoughts and some discussions. I hope no one got offended at all during this thread. That was never my intention.

I'm off now to listen to May 22, 77 dicks picks vol 3, and get ready to watch the steelers take another superbowl win on Sunday!!!!!! Rolling Eyes
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My jack straw reference was supposed to sayb3/31/87, not 3/3/87
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People were bashing each other?
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There did use to be a thread called 'Koch is a douche' or something like that...
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I love this fucking forum........STEELERS tomorrow!!!!!!oh yeah
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I love this fucking forum........STEELERS tomorrow!!!!!!oh yeah


I'd like you to introduce you to a man by the name of B.J. RAJI!!! I'm just sayin - in the immortal words of O.J. Simpson - "lookoouuuttt!!!."

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Next year, the fucking Jets! In the meantime, I hope that fat rapist gets his legs broken...no offense, though, Colonialsrv! But I have to go for the Pack this time.
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There did use to be a thread called 'Koch is a douche' or something like that...

A thread which I started, haha.

This is one of my favorites to go back and have a good laugh here and there:

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No offense take bzf. I hate him for his personal life. I don't go for violence against women at all, but I have been a steelers fan for as long as I can remember. It started out as a [CENSORED] game, but it turned into a good game at least. It was even better with the volume down and the MSG shows from 1990 with Bruce on in the background Very Happy
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Yeah, it was a great game. I had to catch the second half on the radio on the road, but it was good...

Yes, Koch started his own "Koch is a douche" thread, and there were some "Koch is not a douche"-type comments. Better to have someone else start the thread and maintain the viciousness. If someone wants to make a "Bzfgt is a douche" thread I promise never to read it. Koch isn't really a douche, though.
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No one on here that I have met anyway is a douche. We have different opinions, but that a what makes it so much fun. How boring would it be if all just agreed with each other.....there would be no point to the forum

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No one on here that I have met anyway is a douche. We have different opinions, but that a what makes it so much fun. How boring would it be if all just agreed with each other.....there would be no point to the forum

In all fairness... I had a really bad period in my life last year, where about everything I had going for me fell apart at the same time.
I have since recovered...
But during that period, called "March 2010 - July 2010", I was often a douche.

I appreciate those who stuck by the kochman when the chips were way down...
Right now, my [CENSORED] is on fire! I've really turned it around and have a lot for which I am thankful.
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I don't know you that well yet, and sorry to hear that you went through a tough period, but for what it's worth I would have stuck by you. We all share a common bond here, and I learned a lot on tour, one of them bing that we were always there for one another. Anyhow I'm glad that things have changed about for you.
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