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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Bobby, ratdog, and furthur Reply with quote

Just curious on how you all feel. I myself have a problem with all of this. I mean when pigpen passed the band continued on...and don't forget at the time he was the "face" of the dead. I really do believe that Jerry would have wanted the band to continue. I get the whole furthur thing, but now furthur is playing all the old stuff that we always hoped the dead would play. I guess I just feel that Jerry would have wanted the band to continue to play with the original line up and all someone as his replacement. We all have to remember that the grateful dead was jerry's passion as well as well as the JGB. I think the other bands Are good and they are keeping the magic alive, but I just think if the band got back to gather and even brought "new Jerry" along with them, there would be so much more ,magic that we are all lacking. I guess the bottom line is In my opinion is the other bands are good, but there is so much more they could do. So what do you guys all think? Am I off my rocker here, or do you guys/girls feel the same way?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen Furthur what, 8 times now, saw the Dead with Billy, Mickey, and Warren 3 times last year.

My opinion: Furthur blows last years Dead away. The Dead were pulling off St. Stephen>Eleven> Mts of the Moon etc., but it was really lacking "spirit."

I can't wait for the New Years shows!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Boxofrain .... I have seen none of the live .....

.......... they simply don't come in the Old Continent like Dylan!

I understand your argument C. maybe this Furthur band could try to be a more experimental ... try something new.

Anyway I do like how the music blends together, but Jerry is gone! That spirit is gone! You can hear it from over here on the other side of the globe .... even this lineup will not go on forever so let's enjoy the party!

.... and Boxofrain ..... I really envy the shows you went .... the guitar you play, and NO I still didn't get my first guitar, but I will Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait, the question is would I rather it be the good ol' GD with a Jerry stand-in, or would I rather a (semi) "new" band like Furthur? I pick Furthur! The Other Ones or The Dead never did it for me like Furthur or various Phil & Friends bands have (which still doesn't touch the real deal, but still). Sorry, but "gittin' the band back together" isn't a guarantee of the old magic, I'm sorry to say.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out last night's show:

Furthur
UIC-Pavilion
Chicago, Illinois
November 12, 2010

Set 1

Jam>Jack Straw
Mississippi 1/2 Step
Ramble On Rose
Big River
Just Like Tom Thumb Blues
Dear Prudence
Alligator
Hard to Handle

Set 2

Viola Lee Blues (verse 1)>
Dark Star (verse 1)>
Shakedown Street>
Viola Lee Blues (verse 2)>
Born Cross Eyed>
Dark Star (verse 2)>
Viola Lee Blues (verse 3)>
Standing On The Moon
New Speedway Boogie>
Good Lovin'

Donor Rap
Box Of Rain
Ripple

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:58 pm    Post subject: Nick j I agree...but Reply with quote

I totally agree with you that it wouldn't bring back the magic, because as I keep saying I stopped going in 94 because I felt the magic was gone. BUT....can't you see it from my point of view that Jerry would have wanted the band to stay together, and how killer would it be if the original line up even including new Jerry brought out the old stuff. You made my point for me...the newer versions are playing better than the original....that to me is messed up
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:20 pm    Post subject: Further 07/30/2011 St. Augustine, FL Reply with quote


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Arrived a bit late to the party - apparently missed Jack Straw and Althea, and were getting beverages during song 3, Big Bad Blues. The pleasing Weir guitar of Stagger Lee brought on the pleasant luke-warm feeling of an almost-Dead show. Made it to our seats with a very good view of the stage and band, but the last remnants of the hot Florida sun still deprived us of maximum comfort level. He's Gone was enjoyed by most of the audience, but I felt it was a poor song choice. Luckily out of the jam they went into Just a Little Light! Now I was a happy camper - sweet version, even decent wah-wah guitar soloing. An unfamiliar tune, Celebration, rounded out Set 1.

With the sun having just set at around 8:30 PM, the crowd was energetic and ready for a great 2nd Set. Cassidy started our journey in fine fashion, with Phil in fine form and a very well-done final jam back into the "Seabirds" reprise. Unfortunately the Wheel that followed did not do it for me the same way. I abhor the re-structuring of this song and the extended jamming. The original arrangement of the song was perfect, and I'm just not a fan of Further's renditions of this.

Next up was one of the highlights, if not the best song of the night - and it's not even a Grateful Dead tune! Mountain Song, featuring Lesh on the vocals - wow what a tune!!! For anyone that hasn't heard this song - check it out ASAP. I haven't researched to see if it's a cover tune or what, but the vocals are amazingly good and it really fits this band perfectly. In swiss watch style, Uncle John's intro emerged right on cue and I could feel the Workingman's Dead vibe throughout the ampitheatre. So Many Roads was an excellent choice to come next, but this is one of those that brings some sadness for me, as it clearly personified Jerry Garcia. I will skip my usual criticisms of the lead guitar "Jerry," for risk of being repetitive, but the So Many Roads was done pretty well.

Having been put in a down mood with the music, whatever the next song was (Colors of the Rain) it did not provide a pick-me-up, and I did not really enjoy it. Having been relegated to my seat, to get back into the show I would need some help. And help I got - Help on the Way!! Ah yes - thoroughly enjoyed the Help into Slipknot, with again some fine jamming and A+ Phil Lesh bass playing. Lesh was really having fun as he often seems to in recent years - engaging the crowd in the front on his side with looks and gesturing. And even more delight, instead of the obligatory Franklin's, it was Playin in the Band! Perfect!

A bit of a slow tempo to the Playin, and to my dismay the jam seemed to be going no place. Instead of some nice noodling guitar, the lead guitarist gave us a few minutes of absolutely nothing and then a very lame attempt at some 72-style frenzied Jerry notes. Sorry but this effort was completely sabotaged by the lead guitar section. From there I don't feel the band recovered. They bailed out into an unnecessary Franklin's Tower which was a crowd pleaser (me not included with the masses as usual), and then back into an equally unnecessary Playin Reprise to predictably round out the set.

I was hoping NOT for a Brokedown encore, but that's what I got. Another sad Jerry song where I could have used more of an upbeat sendoff like a Casey Jones or U.S. Blues.

All in all my mom, my wife, and I had a good time at the show - except for getting on the bus to go back to our parking spot at the local Elementary School. Some jackass tried to start a physical altercation with me over getting on the bus, fully displaying his lack of brain cells. As peaceful and hippyish as Deadheads are supposed to be, their obnoxiousness never ceases to amaze.

Overall, good show - nice highlights but a few lowlights as well.

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