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Best Year for Dark Star?

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Best Year for Dark Star? Reply with quote

I have to think it's 1972. 4-8, 4-24, 8-27, 9-21, 9-24, 9-27 (what a week for DS), 11-13, and so on.

I'm not sure what the best one is, but I think 1972 must be the best year.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'69

The segues into St. Stephen were pure magic...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

72. Not that 69 and 73 aren't also unfreakingbelievable, but 72 is the year they consistently blow my brains out on a regular basis.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

69...the bar was set perhaps to high with the Live Dead version.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

72 all day.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am new but for now ... 69 ds

The ds from DP vol. 4 (I love the jam after 2/3 of that tune ... I know it have to have a name that segment ...)

The ds from DP vol 2 10/31/70 (is it right the date?)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to put '69 in front of '72, if only slightly. Fillmoreeast has it right; the LiveDead version set the bar pretty high for all Dark Stars after it. Just jump into February '69 anywhere and you can find a magical Dark Star (for those who really like the 2/11 shows, check into 2/12!). And let's not forget how February '69 ended and March began.

I would put '72 second. 4/8 and 8/21 really get down to business.

When I compare '69 to '72 I ask myself a couple of things. Which guitar do I prefer to hear Jerry play?. I like the sound of the Gibson SG over the Alligator Fender. Then I ask, which keyboard/organ sound do I feel adds more to the tone? Well, being as Pigpen was around for all of '69 and half of '72, he's a constant. This then leaves TC or Keith. For me, TC is the hands down winner. Even in '72 when Keith was as on top of it as he ever was (and through most of '74), he never added the tone and color that TC added.

My sensibility for Dark Stars is mainly about the exploratory nature of the song. And, with many great explorations in years that were not '69, I feel '69 was overall the strongest for the explorations necessary to push Dark Star where I want it to go.....everywhere!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, '69 seems to be winning, and no other year besides '69 and '72 is in the running.

Dick's Picks 2 is 10-31-71. DP 4 is 2-13-70, and the jam you're probably talking about is a Feelin' Groovy jam.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that 74 has not been mentioned yet. A pretty good year for the Transitive Axis. 2-24-74 and 10-18-74 are standouts in my mind.

I think Fillmore hit it on the head with 69. They set the bar pretty high with 2/27/69.

73 and 72 of course had MAJOR Dark Stars. Some of the longest and most thought provoking playing in the history of the song happened during these years. You cannot exclude such hits as 11/11/73, Rotterdam, and the often debated 12-6-73.

I think the 80s had some great ones as well. The 5 year comeback was excellent on 10-9-89. Does this one count since it was played by The Warlocks and not The Grateful Dead?

3-29-90 with Branford was excellent. Is it overrated? I think not. This whole show is the stuff dreams are made of. Branford has later said that he didn't practice any of the songs before he went on stage that night.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I dig the [CENSORED] out of 9-10-74 (DP 7) and 6-23-74 too. The 74 [CENSORED] is jazzier, and there is a contemplative thing in 72 and 73 that doesn't happen as much. 73 has some really beautiful kind of meandering ones, and some sort of jazzy and busier stuff too. I think 1972 has the most to offer over all, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very tough between 69 and 73 as far as im concerned, theres just something about 73 in general that is really just right, not sure if it being my overall favorite year affects my judgement (actually quite likely) but wow man theres somethin in those 73 Stars that have given my life such profound meaning and purpose, the music truely speaks for itself as everyone here is pretty obviously aware of.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been trying to listen to a bit more pre-72 Dead lately (the last 10 or 11 months, sporadically though). I did just listen to 2-28-69 the other day, and there are some great Dark Stars from that year, and of course Live Dead is an all-time great. But it's hard for me to see how the out of tune and primitive-by-comparison jamming in 1969 holds up to the best of 1972-74. I have grown to appreciate '60s Dead, but I still don't see how it is anywhere near as good.

Overall I still have to say 1972 seems like the best year for DS, probably followed by '73 and '74 in that order.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to go with 72 as well, and primarily September 72 (also 4/8), because it delves into the "Tiger Jam" so often during that time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

72 - Just more dcvelopment to me and more variety of mood and tempo. Also I love the addition of the feeling groovy (which was very prominent in 70 but not much in 69) and MLB jams. In addition, in 69, they usually went into St Steven from Dark Star. I liked it but it got a little monotonous, In 72, they went into different songs and I thought that AM Dew was a very good follow-up.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, AM Dew is great out of the star, as is El Paso and Cumberland... Brokedown wasn't a bad choice either.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna say 72.....Europe did a lot weird things to that tune.
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