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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Phish downloads help Reply with quote

I know this isn't Dead related but I thought somebody on here might know how to help me with this. I'm trying to find SB for the summer shows that just happened. It's a stretch but if anyone can point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Just got back from Walnut Creek and it was out of this world!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Phish downloads help Reply with quote

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I know this isn't Dead related but I thought somebody on here might know how to help me with this. I'm trying to find SB for the summer shows that just happened. It's a stretch but if anyone can point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. Just got back from Walnut Creek and it was out of this world!


I have downloaded that show the other day. I got it from

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it is an AUD source but a pretty damn good one from what I have listened to.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this one:

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Boards are hard to come by, I think the link above is all Auds. If so, try the spreadsheet here:

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They may, in time, have the boards up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a debate on another message board with someone regarding Livephish.com. Now we all know on here (I hope) the difference between a true soundboard, a matrix and an audience source, correct? My argument is the shows on Livephish are matrix copies, and these are the copies that are circulating as soundboards. I know many guys that listen to Phish were not even born before Jerry passed, so this is hard to explain to them, and likely the guy I'm trying to explain this to just started listening to Phish post hiatus. Honestly though, all you need to do is click on the sample icon for a song at a recent show on Livephish, and all you hear is crowd noise. His argument is that these shows are up 2-3 hours after the show and there's no way they have enough time to create a matrix. I explained we live in a digital age, not a reel to reel age, and if they were truly boards they would be up within minutes of the show ending since it would be a direct plug into what the sound man is hearing, with zero crowd interference. Noobs
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darcangelo wrote:
I'm having a debate on another message board with someone regarding Livephish.com. Now we all know on here (I hope) the difference between a true soundboard, a matrix and an audience source, correct? My argument is the shows on Livephish are matrix copies, and these are the copies that are circulating as soundboards. I know many guys that listen to Phish were not even born before Jerry passed, so this is hard to explain to them, and likely the guy I'm trying to explain this to just started listening to Phish post hiatus. Honestly though, all you need to do is click on the sample icon for a song at a recent show on Livephish, and all you hear is crowd noise. His argument is that these shows are up 2-3 hours after the show and there's no way they have enough time to create a matrix. I explained we live in a digital age, not a reel to reel age, and if they were truly boards they would be up within minutes of the show ending since it would be a direct plug into what the sound man is hearing, with zero crowd interference. Noobs


This is an interesting point. I will agree with you that the "SBDS" are really matrices. The same goes for Furthur, The Dead and Ratdog "SBDS". I saw or read an interview where Weir actually says they are matrix recordings. Basically, they just record and AUD and the SBD at the same time. So really after the show they dont have to do anything but burn the discs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogstarz wrote:
Darcangelo wrote:
I'm having a debate on another message board with someone regarding Livephish.com. Now we all know on here (I hope) the difference between a true soundboard, a matrix and an audience source, correct? My argument is the shows on Livephish are matrix copies, and these are the copies that are circulating as soundboards. I know many guys that listen to Phish were not even born before Jerry passed, so this is hard to explain to them, and likely the guy I'm trying to explain this to just started listening to Phish post hiatus. Honestly though, all you need to do is click on the sample icon for a song at a recent show on Livephish, and all you hear is crowd noise. His argument is that these shows are up 2-3 hours after the show and there's no way they have enough time to create a matrix. I explained we live in a digital age, not a reel to reel age, and if they were truly boards they would be up within minutes of the show ending since it would be a direct plug into what the sound man is hearing, with zero crowd interference. Noobs


This is an interesting point. I will agree with you that the "SBDS" are really matrices. The same goes for Furthur, The Dead and Ratdog "SBDS". I saw or read an interview where Weir actually says they are matrix recordings. Basically, they just record and AUD and the SBD at the same time. So really after the show they dont have to do anything but burn the discs.


That's so sad when you put it in this terms ... Darkangelo let the boys enjoy their "soundbords" and their dreams! Anyway, they in the LivePhish they have introduced some new "High Definition Flac" format or something ... all of that for a Matrix (?!) ... what a waste of space in the hard discs. I have heard that people complain about the new format you can't even burn the show on a CD!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waitaminute... matrixes can be made in real time just as a regular sbd tape would be. You just mix in more of the audience noise to the sbd feed and -- presto -- a matrix is born! It's not like the official sbd releases by Phish, Furthur, whoever are "true" sbd recordings anyway. A "true" sbd would be a recording of exactly what is being pushed through the PA and nothing else; the official "sbd" releases are a separate mix made specifically for recording purposes, not for live sound reinforcement. Technically speaking, many of the Dead tapes made by Bear were matrixes, because he took the PA feed and added more Jerry and Phil. As Bear explains in Dicks Picks 4:

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Jerry's guitar and Phil's bass were sufficiently powerful from their on stage amps so as not to require reinforcement through the PA, so I simply added a touch of each to the tape mix for presence.


Betty Cantor's tapes were also specifically mixed (on the spot, since I beieve they were 2-track tapes) for listening; she didn't just plug in to the PA feed. Ditto with a lot of the 74 tapes made by Kid Candelario (you can hear him adjusting the mix in the first few songs a lot of the time).

darcangelo, I don't get what the big deal is from the dudes on the Phish board. It's one thing to dislike the homemade matrixes people make in ProTools by blending 2-3 different recordings of the same show, but that's obviously not what Phish or Furthur are releasing. Do these people hate the crowd noise or something? What exactly is the debate about?


Found this handy definition of a matrix, fwiw.

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A tape with soundboard and audience microphones mixed is commonly called a matrix tape; however, this etymology is actually incorrect. A matrix tape comes from a recording made out of the matrix section of a mixing board. Quite simply, every large mixing console has what's called a mixing matrix - an area where several stereo mixes can be bussed together with separate sources. This is useful for several things - you can bus all the vocals to one matrix and compress them as a subgroup, you can bus all of the drums to a stereo subgroup to compress/limit them together, or - relevant to this article - you can bus together items you don't need in the house mix to a separate mix for a recording. The term "Matrix Tape" actually comes from Grateful Dead sound engineer Dan Healy's use of the matrix section to bus together an audience microphone with a soundboard mix. You can use a matrix section to either bring forth instruments not in the house mix by simply bussing them to that matrix out, or use it to internally mix audience microphones into the mix.'

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick,
The debate was simply whether these were soundboards or not. I was excited about a link to "soundboards" only to find out it was a link to a pirated copy of what is offered on Livephish, which is not a soundboard , it's a matrix. When I pointed this out I had a twenty year old know-it-all tell me I was wrong and these were soundboards because it says so on Livephish's website. One listen and anyone with half an ear knows they are not. Too much echo and way too much crowd noise. I didn't mean to come off as a sound/music snob but it irritates me these copies are being dubbed soundboards when they are not. I thought Phish was allowing tapers to plug in again to their boards and got excited. I think they shut that down back in 96', so I was hoping they started allowing this again.
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