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Tommy or The Wall?
Tommy
83%
 83%  [ 5 ]
The Wall
16%
 16%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:26 am    Post subject: Summer Project: Tommy vs The Wall... Reply with quote

So let's have a good conversation... I want all opinions but IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT YOU LISTEN TO AT LEAST BOTH ALBUMS!!!!!! Ya have all summer.

Take into consideration:

Any actual live shows you may have seen.

Any Bootleg live performances you may have listened to.

Any vidoes of the live shows you have seen. There's plenty of them on youtube.

Their respective careers have NOTHING to do with this. This is a hand to hand fight.


Tommy vs The Wall

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went with Tommy!
I love the 1969 versions ... very raw and heavy, completly different then the album versions!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like Pink Floyd and love The Who.....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan to listen to live versions of both albums. Both in the prime of the album's era. The Who will be from the Live At Leeds Deluxe Edition (disc 2) and Floyd will be 8-9-80. I am going into this wanting to be fair, but Spark always gets me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can Tommy see beyond The Wall?

2-14-70 The Who (Live At Leeds Deluxe Edition Disc 2)

A small review of 2-14-70...

You turn this album on and instantly wish there was 11 on the volume dial. The band is in full force. Overture begins and the band doesn't slow down from the first note played. Things begin to heat up during Sparks. Townsend proves his guitar mastery during this song. I am sure many people will disagree, Sparks is the one song that can be compared to Hendrix. Christmas is the prototype for punk rock. The band nails it, as Daultrey's vocals during the "See me, feel me, touch me, heal me" part pierce through the reverb, yet calm guitars. Then his vocals instantly change to a meaner sounding Roger, the tempo speeds up as well.

After a rocking Acid Queen, the all too familiar opening from Pinball Wizard begins to hypnotize my ears. Excellent work from The Ox on this track.

Tommy Can You Hear Me? how can anyone not be in a great mood during this track. The uplifting vocals. Then the band goes back into almost punk rock mode. This changes again, as we get the anthem Go To The Mirror. Once again, we hear Daultrey sing "Touch me, feel me, see me...".

I'm Free is brilliant. Roger's vocals mixed with Pete's guitar is a pure pleasure listening experience. We're Not Going Take It proves once and for all that The Who will not go without a fight. This song has all the power and emotion that the entire album has except this is packed in just under 9 minutes.

The Who's rhythm section was tight, the music was groundbreaking and influential. Also the idea of a rock opera was still very fresh. From what I can remember Tommy is the first album released as a Rock Opera.


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Will The Wall fall on Tommy?

8-9-80 Pink Floyd The Wall

A small review....

The opening notes of In The Flesh are almost etched into my brain. The band opens the album off with a sonic blast. Then Thin Ice appears with a baby crying between songs. Roger's vocals are excellent.

Another Brick In The Wall Part 1 is almost hypnotizing as the music moves into Happiest Days Of our Lives which then transitions smoothly into ABITW 2. The band is in disco mode here. Gilmour gets in an amazing solo during this extended version. This version of the song explores different avenues while staying with the main theme that was on the album. I am impressed with all the samples that were played between the songs.

Goodbye Blue Sky was always one of my favorite songs from Pink Floyd. This performance does not let me down. Young Lust grabs my attention, the keyboard work is brilliant. That familiar riff is attention grabbing as well. ABITW 3 was played smoothly like the previous 2. Goodbye Cruel World is played beautifully. Also brings the music down to almost a crawl compared to the disco rhythms it was reaching earlier.

Intermission

Floyd returns with Hey You. The band sounds rehearsed and tight. The first part of this set is very much like the album. Not too much exploring musically.

Comfortably Numb grabs my attention, The Show Must Go On however, doesn't. It seems like another setbreak.

My favorite part of The Wall disc 2 is In The Flesh and Run Like Hell.

In The Flesh sets the stage for Run Like Hell. I dig the way the common theme from the first set is brought back during this song. Run Like Hell begins, once again using the main theme. Once again that disco feels comes back. There is nothing wrong with the way the backing vocals came in. Waters screams through the verses. The band doesn't seem to be in a hurry on this one either. Which gives them a little bit of points added to this performance.


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I must say stylistically The Wall when compared to Tommy is totally different. Tommy was much more groundbreaking. Also The Who have an edge that Floyd don't really have. I want to point out the different stages of careers that each of these bands were in. The Who was still a young and vibrant band. They were pushing boundaries and knocking down doors. Tommy was the second rock opera from the Who. Technically, it is the first, but I am counting A Quick One While He Is Gone as well.

I can say almost the exact opposite for Pink Floyd. This was the swan song for a prolific band. Granted they recorded The Final Cut. The band had bad feelings towards each other during this period. This would only grow until there was a court involved.

Each of these albums have earned themselves feature films in the cinemas. I personally like Floyd's The Wall over Tommy. The animation in The Wall is always a nice thing.

I do believe that Tommy wins though.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work Dogstarzz, that was exactly what I was looking for.

There are some striking similarities with both these pieces of work. The very first one is the WWII having a big impact on both protagonists.

Amazing Journey>Sparks live was a freakin BEAST!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Gopher. While I can't say "I don't like" Pink Floyd, they never really floated my boat. I dig Dark Side of the Moon, and generally the older stuff, but I found The Wall to be pretentious and boring. Tommy is a classic, with many great songs and flows as a "rock opera" Now what about Tommy vs. Quadraphenia? Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am pretty sure you guys are insane, and this poll proves it.

I have heard both, many times. I grew up on Tommy. It is great. I came to Floyd in my college days.

I will review both in time, but I was already easily able to answer that The Wall is superior.
In fact, Quadrophenia is superior to Tommy just from The Who themselves.

Anyhow, yes, reviews pending... as I build my own wall.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest that, if you're going to review live versions of these albums, that you check out the "Is There Anybody Out There?" official release of The Wall. It is sonically superior to the Earl's Court version, just as the reissues of Live At Leeds are superior (and much more complete) than their predecessor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That brings up a point.
I will be using official, studio releases for my reviews. I will include official versions of songs from the videos that were not on the albums for whatever reason (there are 2 such songs in the Wall that weren't on the albums).

A video to video comparison would not even be fair...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wouldn't it be fair? There is a lack of Wall concert footage but there is a great DVD out there.

Granted there is a good amount of Tommy live footage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
Well, I am pretty sure you guys are insane, and this poll proves it.

I have heard both, many times. I grew up on Tommy. It is great. I came to Floyd in my college days.

I will review both in time, but I was already easily able to answer that The Wall is superior.
In fact, Quadrophenia is superior to Tommy just from The Who themselves.

Anyhow, yes, reviews pending... as I build my own wall.


Well, that's just like....your opinion, maaaann...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lucasmcain wrote:
Why wouldn't it be fair? There is a lack of Wall concert footage but there is a great DVD out there.

Granted there is a good amount of Tommy live footage.

I mean to say... the Wall DVD is fucking amazing, compared to the Tina Turner released "Tommy"...
You know what I mean?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
lucasmcain wrote:
Why wouldn't it be fair? There is a lack of Wall concert footage but there is a great DVD out there.

Granted there is a good amount of Tommy live footage.

I mean to say... the Wall DVD is fucking amazing, compared to the Tina Turner released "Tommy"...
You know what I mean?


hmmm. Are you talking Live performance vids or the actual movies?

That is a good point to put up and I might have to add it to the top criteria.

Tina had a small part in the movie. Let's not forget one of the Greatest Hotties of all time, Ann Margret rolling around in the pork and beans!!! Ah Pork and Beans, ugggghaaaaaa, drool! She carried that film.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are times it's tough being a GD fan. We damn near have to micro manage everything to achieve a common jumping off point.

Aud, SBD or Matrix?

Studio, Outtake, Alternate Take, Rehearsal or Live?

Hot, Warm or Cold?

Red, White or Blue?

Imported, American or Home Brewed?

At least we seem to be a pretty educated group (most of the time).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grateful_nirvanA wrote:
There are times it's tough being a GD fan. We damn near have to micro manage everything to achieve a common jumping off point.

Aud, SBD or Matrix?

Studio, Outtake, Alternate Take, Rehearsal or Live?

Hot, Warm or Cold?

Red, White or Blue?

Imported, American or Home Brewed?

At least we seem to be a pretty educated group (most of the time).


Laughing Laughing

Yes ....... I just started to enjoy that part!!!!
That's why I listen just to the GD family + Dylan and that's pretty much it.

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