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74 is the best year for the ______ and the best ______s in the band's history
Extended Jam
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 61%  [ 11 ]
PITB
11%
 11%  [ 2 ]
Neither
27%
 27%  [ 5 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: What makes 74 so special... Reply with quote

This is kind of vague... so let me elaborate.
1974 has some fantastic, extended jams.
It also has the longest PITBs, a great song we all know and love.

So, would you say that 74 features the best PITBs AND that those PITBs are the best of its history?
you say that 74 features the best extended Jams AND that those extended Jams are the best of its history?
Or... neither?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were extended jams in other years. For example, I would say that the long Dark Stars and Other Ones from 72 had extended jamming. I do think that the 74 ones stand out in that they involved a combination of a couple of things. First, they tended to be somewhat structured rather than unstructured noodling, with the structure usually being a Spanish Jam or a MLB jam, both of which I love.In addition, the jams came from many songs, not just Dark Star or Other One.

As an aside, 74 is my favorite year, and it bugs me that we can only nominate 4 songs from this great year. It just does not seem fair to me to do this just because they did not play a lot of shows this year.

This may be heresy, but my favorite Playins are from 77. They had a different flavor then, that I almost would describe as mysterious and mystic and I loved the sandwiches they did, most notably 3/19/77 and 5/4/77.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tough one. I went with neither, because

1. As mighty as 74 Playins are, I tend to personally enjoy 72-73 a little more, just because there's less coked-out screechiness to contend with. Not that I have a problem with the boys bringing the noise, but some of the 74 Playins can get a little tweaked and non-communicative, and I generally prefer a slightly smoother, jazzier ride.

2. I took "extended jams" to mean jams that weren't rooted in a typical open-ended jam tune (ie, Dark Star or the Other One). There are some unbelievable "standalone" jams in 74, but again I don't think they're any "better" than 73. 6/28/74 tops the 74 jam list for me, but put it head to head against 7/27/73? I dunno...

I do love the extended post-Phil & Ned space odysseys (9/11, 10/16, 10/18), though, so that may be a point in favor of 74...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickJ wrote:
I do love the extended post-Phil & Ned space odysseys (9/11, 10/16, 10/18), though, so that may be a point in favor of 74...


There's a great one from 09-21-74, Phil & Ned > Playin > Drums > Playin for the entire second set.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

74 is the best year for the Kreutzmann and the best drumming in the band's history
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most importantly it's the China>Riders.
Then you have the Eyes of the Worlds, GSETs, China Dolls, MLB jams, Truckin's WRSs and Morning Dews.

PITB is better in '72 and '73.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the PITBs from 74 are generally overrated, but I feel the year is...
I prefer 73.

That being said, Billy is on fire throughout 72-4, but 74 is definitely a strong contender for his performances being his peaks. Just insane at times!

Back to the PITBs, they are very very long and spacey, but too much so... you know?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the 74 Playin's! But I don't think that is the main reason the year is so special. I don't think you can have this converstaion without bringing up The Wall of Sound. I think that had a major influence on the playing. Even if you just listen to the boards from that year, you have to acknowledge that perhaps the band was hearing themselves better and therefore playing things a bit differently.

Kreutzman is another big influence on this year. The dude played out of his skin!!! Also I think I read somewhere that he had a major piece of the Wall hanging over his head and was sometimes concerned that a 1/2 ton of equipment would fall on his head. I forget which show it was ( perhaps Washington State ) where the wind was blowing pretty good and the Wall was moving. That might have contributed to some of the Fear heard from some of those extended dark spaces.

I also want to mention the Dew's from 74 are just huge. I think they really peaked that song that year and apart from some other years where this song was played well, it never reached the consistency as it did during 74. I still think the Dew's were good in other years, but 74 has some monsters in it. Even the bad versions are better than most other years.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this might be off topic, but im gonna say some pretty awesome aud tapes. 1974-07-21 comes to mind.

theres something special about hearing the clean crispness of the wall of sound + billy in all of its glory.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1974 .... hmm

yes .... but just think for a moment how different a sound we have in 72/73/74.

I will not add anything on this topic but what inspires me is the "sound", I mean how they managed to melt the sound of the band in such different ways within years or even parts of a year .... spring/fall. I am still so fascinated by that aspect that I can't concentrate on single shows that much.

As for the jams ... lenght means little to me, for a short but weird jam makes to me the show.

Tempo, this is also important aspect ... in those 3 years we have such variations .... well I am still in the process of discovering.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7-19-74, in of all places, Fresno...

I love the long spacey PITBs

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: I think..... Reply with quote

I think 74 was special for a number of reasons. First of all there was uncertainty, because it was the "last" year the band was going to tour. Having said that it probably took a lot of stress off the band and allowed them to just go out onstage and have a good time. Dont forget there was a ton of stress on the band. The wall of sound as awesome as it was, was incredibly expensive, and they were only playing with one drummer, plus Keith and Donna were both in the band, and who knows how much stress that added with the two of them being married, 1974 I think is my favorite year. It just seems to me that the band was Free, and jazzy, and were just having a good time. The extended jams were incredible as were the vibes. Listen to china/rider from dicks picks 12 to see what I mean. The energy was just way out there. I was born in 1974 and even though I got to well over a hundred shows i didn't start till 1987. I got into the band in 85 but my parents were having no part of me going to a dead show at 11.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: I think..... Reply with quote

colonialsrv wrote:
I got into the band in 85 but my parents were having no part of me going to a dead show at 11.

The scoundrels! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: I agree Reply with quote

They were scoundral, but I think the band had a revival in 87/88/89, and at least I got to be a part of that. I also got a chance to be accepted as part of the scene before everything just collapsed.
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