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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: The "Zephyr-Plate" - How to post your findings Reply with quote

Here is a template, and below is an example of a completed shows findings... Bold faced portions subject to change as per your show dictates (do shows dictate?! JK)

Location of show on date of show
Set 1 (put the set list here)
Set 2 (and so on as needed)

Best SBD:
Link from archive to specific source goes here
Comments: from above source, what to expect when listening

Best Matrix:
Link from archive to specific source goes here
Comments: from above source, what to expect when listening

Best AUD:
Link from archive to specific source goes here
Comments: from above source, what to expect when listening

(OF THE ABOVE, PLEASE MENTION WHICH IS THE BEST SOUND QUALITY OVERALL)

Other sources for date of show as of date of initial posting or update[b]: [b]List show's unique number as listed in the URL of each show

Zephyr wrote:

Charlotte Coliseum on 1984-10-05
Set 1 Bertha > The Promised Land, West L.A. Fadeaway, Little Red Rooster, Dupree's Diamond Blues, My Brother Esau, Brown-Eyed Women, Feel Like A Stranger, Might As Well

Set 2 China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider, Estimated Prophet > Eyes Of The World > Drums > Space > The Other One > Black Peter > Sugar Magnolia > Johnny B. Goode
Encore: It's All Over Now, Baby Blue


Best SBD (the only SBD version at the Internet Archive) :

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Comments: Very good, full-bodied mix. Unless you prefer AUDs, this is the best version to get.

Best Matrix (none available at the Internet Archive at this time):

Best AUD (of four up at the Internet Archive):

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Comments: This is a GEMS production. Great sound, with full range and clear instrumentation. Crowd is unobtrusive.

Other 10/5/84 AUDS at the Archive as of Sep. 5, 2008: 15528, 77703, 83188.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just finished the 1984 East Coast Tour and wanted to share a few thoughts from the experience.

First, it was more difficult and time-consuming than I had anticipated, but it ended up being very worthwhile. Finding 6 upgrades on an 11 show tour bodes well for the benefits we can ALL experience if we get some solid participation going.

Second, I found it very useful to download all the shows of the tour so I could discover more easily the areas in which the recordings differed. A LOT of shows are missing material here and there (drums, anyone? Confused ) and many have smaller oddities that may be worth pointing out.

I was surprised to discover that some of the older postings to the Internet Archive (shows with etree numbers of 3 and 4 digits) are either the best recording available or strong contenders for the best. Don't presume that recent releases going to be the best.

As a finishing touch to the recording quality reviews, I'll be posting (in the same forum, but in separate threads) a review of the tour as a whole and then reviews of the individual shows. I hope you'll all pipe up with your opinions.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this project take flight. Many thanks to Kochman for hosting it. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zephyr wrote:
Many thanks to Kochman for hosting it. Very Happy

You, as the ORIGINAL host, need not thank me.

This project is a great idea you came up with. It is encouraging to know that there are so many better sources than we realized for whatever reasons. This means I will hold off on burning the 100+ DVDs to back up my COMPLETE collection (anyone have a blank HD that needs filling?)... or at least slow it down. That's cool, more time to burn scandinavian porn. Shit, did I say that out loud. Ignore that...

Duderino, I was looking at 85... the year with the most sources I believe. Have fun on your Fall Tour... of the Y amount of shows, there are Y x 1000 sources!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: A few questions/comments: Reply with quote

Everything here looks good. I can see how useful it will be. It's convenient that I actually comment on most of my shows I manage with iTunes (>400) because when I want to find a good late 77 show (which I haven't listened to in a while) I can read the comments and look at my rating (# stars out of 5). So maybe I can use those.

1) May I recommend that at the top of the template that we switch the Venue - Date to Date - Venue? I think when we all look at shows, one after another, it's easier for us to get an idea if we see date first and not venue.
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does this and it's really quite nice. For example:

Charlotte Coliseum on 1984-10-05
change to
1984-10-15 - Charlotte Coliseum, Charlotte, NC

2) What are those numbers at the end? Can you search the archive just with those numbers/ids?

3) Is it worth putting ratings after each source? Like if you have 5 different SBDs #1 is 10/10, #2 and 3 are 8/10, #4 and 5 are 6/10? I guess that is subjective but I wonder if it might be helpful.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: A few questions/comments: Reply with quote

smgarcia wrote:
Everything here looks good. I can see how useful it will be. It's convenient that I actually comment on most of my shows I manage with iTunes (>400) because when I want to find a good late 77 show (which I haven't listened to in a while) I can read the comments and look at my rating (# stars out of 5). So maybe I can use those.

1) May I recommend that at the top of the template that we switch the Venue - Date to Date - Venue? I think when we all look at shows, one after another, it's easier for us to get an idea if we see date first and not venue.
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does this and it's really quite nice. For example:

Charlotte Coliseum on 1984-10-05
change to
1984-10-15 - Charlotte Coliseum, Charlotte, NC

2) What are those numbers at the end? Can you search the archive just with those numbers/ids?

3) Is it worth putting ratings after each source? Like if you have 5 different SBDs #1 is 10/10, #2 and 3 are 8/10, #4 and 5 are 6/10? I guess that is subjective but I wonder if it might be helpful.


You make some good suggestions here. Feel free to make some changes in how you post it. For example, Skydawg, rather than listing just the source number, posts the links for the other sources as well (your #2).

Ratings by the sources are particularly a good idea, just to give an idea how good the best is. That could help people decide if they want to take the time to download the show or not. Feel free to add those ratings when you do yours (I may go back into mine already posted and do the same).

We can be pretty flexible. The template provided is a guideline really. Try to stay with the theme in general, but I don't see any problem with minor changes such as you suggest.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been using this site to help find my way around the archive. This site will tell you which ones are the best in AUD quality so you can download them from the archive.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkstarz117 wrote:
I have been using this site to help find my way around the archive. This site will tell you which ones are the best in AUD quality so you can download them from the archive.

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I will check this out!
This could be a great find, as all the shows that are only available in AUD I can right away list the best source for here. Then we have only the shows that have other than AUD sources left.

Way to go! Thanks for helping out, and welcome aboard!

Key find for you and for us!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question about 3/12/1966. It seems that there are many sources but not all of them are the same. It looks like one or two of them are just shortened. Than one seems to include the Pig Rap from 1966/2/12. I am sort of confused what to do when different sources have different sets.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkstarz117 wrote:
I have a question about 3/12/1966. It seems that there are many sources but not all of them are the same. It looks like one or two of them are just shortened. Than one seems to include the Pig Rap from 1966/2/12. I am sort of confused what to do when different sources have different sets.


This date has long befuddled deadheads.
I say just make a distinction between the two... 3/12/66A vs 3/12/66B for example.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
darkstarz117 wrote:
I have a question about 3/12/1966. It seems that there are many sources but not all of them are the same. It looks like one or two of them are just shortened. Than one seems to include the Pig Rap from 1966/2/12. I am sort of confused what to do when different sources have different sets.


This date has long befuddled deadheads.
I say just make a distinction between the two... 3/12/66A vs 3/12/66B for example.


Sounds good. For some reason when I picked 66 I was not expecting that too happen. Battle
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
darkstarz117 wrote:
I have a question about 3/12/1966. It seems that there are many sources but not all of them are the same. It looks like one or two of them are just shortened. Than one seems to include the Pig Rap from 1966/2/12. I am sort of confused what to do when different sources have different sets.


This date has long befuddled deadheads.
I say just make a distinction between the two... 3/12/66A vs 3/12/66B for example.


Sounds good. For some reason when I picked 66 I was not expecting that too happen. Battle
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll definitely be checking out that gdluckynumbers site,

don't know who has seen this, but this is nice resource, though not necessarily as detailed, can point in the right direction.

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I try to keep up with new postings at archive in order to update the links at

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I try to keep a list of stuff that doesn't have a quality source, and in general I try to give as much a listen as I can. It won't be perfect by any stretch, but I feel ok saying, most of the archive links we have are to the one of the best 2 sources for the respective show.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free to take our data from here and post it there as well. The more places people can see the info, the better.
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