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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Jack Kerouac And The Beat Generation Reply with quote

Noticed cheesebeer's thread on Thelonius Monk and started thinking about other artists from that era and their influences on each other. Kerouac immediately came to mind...he damn near idolized Monk, Charlie Parker Dizzy and others. He also wrote a nice piece called "The Birth of Bop." Also a beautiful poem called Charlie Parker w/Steve Allen on piano. Any Kerouac heads out there? I know there must be some.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that Kerouc/Steve Allen LP, pretty good stuff. I think this was before his stint as host of the Tonight Show (Steve Allen, that is).
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was after Garcia read Dennis McNally's book "Desolate Angel" that he approached Dennis with becoming the Grateful Dead's official biographer. If you haven't read it, it's fantastic.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerourac also inspired Neal Cassady to write his novel "The First Third". A classic! The picture of Jack and Neal on the cover is great too.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He made three albums of poetry. The one w/Steve Allen is called Poetry for the Beat Generation.. He also appeared on One of Steve Allen's late nite shows(Not sure if it was The Tonight Show or not) and read from Visions of Cody(Neal) and On The Road again accompinied by Allen. There is a great documentary on DVD calle What Ever Happened To Kerouac. Somr really cool rare footage of Jack including what I mentioned above. There is a Box Set of all of his readings released by Rhino.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kerouac is pretty good, I should reread some of his stuff now that I am older. I think Visons of Cody was my favorite book by him. He had a good voice for reading too from the stuff I have heard, a higher upbeat style that was cool.
There is a box set by Rhino I think of Allen Ginsberg that is pretty good called Holy Soul Jelly Roll. I bought that when it had just come out in 1993 when I was 16, I saved up money for it even, and I still have it. "Howl" is a great poem, others that I liked included "Wales Visitation" and "Wichita Vortex Sutra."
Burroughs is great too. "Queer" was an amazing book I thought, depraved but very interesting. I think he, like Gertrude Stein earlier in the century, helped establish a new style from which many were influenced.
Some of his ideas are relevant to us today and will be in the future, ideas like "smash the control images smash the control machines" and language as a virus.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was after Garcia read Dennis McNally's book "Desolate Angel" that he approached Dennis with becoming the Grateful Dead's official biographer. If you haven't read it, it's fantastic.


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I did not know that. I will have to check it out. My favorite Kerouac is Dharma Bums and Visions of Cody. On The Road was cool at the time, but in retrospect, kind of hard to read. I actually read it for my High School theology class. I went to a private school my last 2 years, and the boozy chaplain got booted in the middle of the year for showing up to chapel drunk, so the German teacher took over, got rid of our stupid western religion books, and had us read Hesse, Kerouac, etc. It was an eye opener. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a much better bio by Gerald Nicosia called Memory Babe. A couple of yrs ago the scroll version of On The Road was published. No edits and the real names are intact. Dude I'm kind of surprised you Found "Road" more tough going than Visions of Cody. Did you read Visions when you were older? BTW that book and Visions of Gerard are probably my favorites. Thaks for the responses guys!
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheesebeer wrote:
Kerouac is pretty good, I should reread some of his stuff now that I am older. I think Visons of Cody was my favorite book by him. He had a good voice for reading too from the stuff I have heard, a higher upbeat style that was cool.
There is a box set by Rhino I think of Allen Ginsberg that is pretty good called Holy Soul Jelly Roll. I bought that when it had just come out in 1993 when I was 16, I saved up money for it even, and I still have it. "Howl" is a great poem, others that I liked included "Wales Visitation" and "Wichita Vortex Sutra."
Burroughs is great too. "Queer" was an amazing book I thought, depraved but very interesting. I think he, like Gertrude Stein earlier in the century, helped establish a new style from which many were influenced.
Some of his ideas are relevant to us today and will be in the future, ideas like "smash the control images smash the control machines" and language as a virus.
Burroughs was fucking amazing. My Dad who was from that generation dis-regarded Kerouc and Ginsberg, but actually liked Burroughs. Always seemed odd to me.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Junky's Christmas is pretty cool, it's a short film by Francis Ford Coppola done in claymation narrated by Burroughs, the story from his book Interzone.
Burroughs did a lot of stuff. He did an album with The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy in the 90s called Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales, and he was on some songs by the Revolting Cocks, like Gila Copter, many different artists of all kinds were influenced by him. I had some other cds of his but I think they are gone, some of his cutup stuff and snippets of the Master Musicians of Joujouka, Brian Jones was big on them too. One of them was called Break Through in Grey Room on Sub Rosa Records. His cutup stuff is pretty out there though, not something you want to listen to to relax.
Him and Brion Gysin also had that dream machine, that was an interesting concept too.
you can stream Junky's Xmas here, I saw this on the Independent Film Channel a while back.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
There is a much better bio by Gerald Nicosia called Memory Babe. A couple of yrs ago the scroll version of On The Road was published. No edits and the real names are intact. Dude I'm kind of surprised you Found "Road" more tough going than Visions of Cody. Did you read Visions when you were older? BTW that book and Visions of Gerard are probably my favorites. Thaks for the responses guys!

Yes when I was older. Dharma Bums was pretty easy.

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cheesebeer wrote:
The Junky's Christmas is pretty cool, it's a short film by Francis Ford Coppola done in claymation narrated by Burroughs, the story from his book Interzone.
Burroughs did a lot of stuff. He did an album with The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy in the 90s called Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales, and he was on some songs by the Revolting Cocks, like Gila Copter, many different artists of all kinds were influenced by him. I had some other cds of his but I think they are gone, some of his cutup stuff and snippets of the Master Musicians of Joujouka, Brian Jones was big on them too. One of them was called Break Through in Grey Room on Sub Rosa Records. His cutup stuff is pretty out there though, not something you want to listen to to relax.
Him and Brion Gysin also had that dream machine, that was an interesting concept too.
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Cool Cool Thanks Cheese!
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Fillmoreeast mentioned, jazz and the Beat Generation go hand in hand. They greatly influenced each other and expanded the boundaries of both music and literature.
The one major theme of the Beat Generation that is really fascinating to me is the unvarnished look at heroin and junkies, did they go so far as to glorify heroin, or did they present it in such a way as to give compassion to sick people who were looking for kicks or self medicating? Heroin pops up everywhere, my hometown experienced some shady people who started a heroin ring and it all became very bad, a nightmarish scene just a couple of years ago. It's all going through the courts now still, dead people thrown into dumpsters, oding, Svengali type dealers controlling their customers.. Young people who think they are being part of something cool get sucked into the nightmare life of a junkie. Writers such as Burroughs brought this up from the dark side though and explored previously unseen for the most part territory.
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