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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Best Second Set Ever Reply with quote

Or third set, closing set, whatever.

In my opinion, and I'm not the definitive expert on the Dead, but 7/18/76 Orpheum second set looks good on paper and sounds great too. Hard to top this one.

Might As Well
Samson and Delilah
Candyman
Lazy Lightning>
Supplication>
Let It Grow>
Drums>
Let It Grow>
Wharf Rat>
Drums>
The Other One>
St. Stephen>
NFA>
St. Stephen>
Wheel>
The Other One>
Stella Blue,
Sugar Magnolia
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You certainly set the bar high!!!

Let me consult the mystics, stoics, realists, visionaries, seer, and my Golden Retreiver, then come back with my nomination...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will roll over and play Dead for this one.
Hard to top it in performance and selection.
But I pose the million dollar question. Why is 5/8/77 "the best Dead show ever" in some minds in comparison to this???

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I have done some serious soul searchin' on this one... man... that may be the best ever... which is odd for me to say, because I think 76 is completely overrated.

I do like this one...
The Spectrum
Philadelphia, PA
Date 11/5/79 - Monday

Two
Althea [12:01] ; Easy To Love You [3:26] ; Eyes Of The World [22:35] > Estimated Prophet [14:28] > Franklin's Tower [13:45] > Space [5:09] > Drums [7:36] > Space [2:39] > Lost Sailor [6:52] > Saint Of Circumstance [5:14] > Sugar Magnolia [8:46]
Encore Casey Jones [5:50]
This one is just amazing. Not so much for setlist, but performance (not that the setlist is bad). That EYES is insanity in ten cities... and the surprise Franklin's>Tower Jam... Sailor out of space is awesome... there is a flaw here though, no ballad... ug... incidentally, the 1st set of this show is lackluster, until nearer the end of it... but, they really make up for it in this 2nd set.

and... I will continue to look... I would say it would come from post-retirement, just because of the flow involved. 72-74 had some epic shit, but then, after a 45 minute medley of madness they would throw in a Big River or Me & My Uncle... then into another medley... really disrupted the flow...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5/8/77=Overrated...Yes I am particularly biased, however, ever since the first time I heard this show I always wondered why it is sooo great....really good, yes...best ever, not even close...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

these may not be the BEST EVER in the grand scheme of things...but in my mind/to my ears:



Grateful Dead
The Forum
Inglewood, CA
6/4/77 - Saturday

SET 2:

Samson And Delilah [6:07] ; Ship Of Fools [7:52] ; Estimated Prophet [9:39] > Eyes Of The World [10:45] > Drums [2:#35] > Good Lovin' [5:30] ; Terrapin Station [11:05] > Playing In The Band [9:40] > Franklin's Tower [10:34] > Space [3:34] > China Doll [6:09] > Not Fade Away [11:18] > Playing In The Band [3:31#]
Encore One More Saturday Night [5:12]

MUCH BETTER SET 2 than 5/8/77, and one of my very favorite second sets.


here's another excellent second set:

Grateful Dead
Cal Expo Amphitheatre
Sacramento, CA
6/8/90 - Friday

SET 2:

Uncle John's Band [8:57] > China Cat Sunflower [5:30] > I Know You Rider [5:40] ; Estimated Prophet [9:10] > Foolish Heart [8:26] > Jam [6:57] > Drums [6:35] > Space [11:27] > The Wheel [5:45] > I Need A Miracle [4:05] > Black Peter [9:58] > Sugar Magnolia % [6:53]
Encore U. S. Blues
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... any other ideas folks?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not offhand. but someone better pony up something nice from the pigpen era.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: nassau Reply with quote

04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: nassau Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:
04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria


Holy nightmare setlist Batman!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: nassau Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria


Holy nightmare setlist Batman!


yeah, woah.. i feel like i appreciate late-period dead as much as anyone, but woah. this show's not for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
not offhand. but someone better pony up something nice from the pigpen era.


Hard to beat Dick's Pics 16, 11/8/69, which Kochman reviewed in the Pigpen section and Fillmoreeast just wrote about in the latest show you have heard thread.

Dark Star> Other One> Dark Star> Uncle John's Jam> Dark Star> St. Stephen> The Eleven> Caution> The Main Ten> Caution> Feedback> We Bid You Goodnight
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a hard time sussing out just what is what from 2/13 and 2/14 1970 (dick's picks #4), but surely one of those should get mentioned here. i don't see how it can get much better.

this is the 2/13 late show electric portion..

Dark Star > Cryptical > Drums > Other One > Cryptical > Lovelight
We Bid You Goodnight

and the 2/14 late show electric set..

Dancin
China Cat > I Know You Rider > High Time
Dire Wolf
Alligator > Drums > Me & My Uncle > NFA > Mason's Children > Caution > Feedback > We Bid You Goodnight
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about best, but this is one of my all time favorites:

Long Beach, Ca, 8/28/81

Set 2

Shakedown Street ->
Lost Sailor ->
Saint Of Circumstance ->
The Wheel ->
Jam ->
Never Trust A Woman ->
Jam ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Truckin' ->
Wharf Rat ->
Sugar Magnolia

Encore
U.S. Blues


Now the why. The pace, the playing, the bulid up and the release. The Shakedown thunders down the street and is not too fast, not too slow. It's well jammed out at 15 mins and sets the tone. One of my favorite versions of Lost Sailor is next and Bobby delivers it spot on. No fuck-ups or miscues and it segues perfectly into St. Of Circumstance. After this the opening tines of The Wheel come out of nowhere and if ya are listening on headphones you might want to turn it down a notch as Garcia hits one of the all time highest, loudest notes he EVER played( at least to my ears) This note travels far and knocks down widerness and stone.

Next up is a little jam so we get a bit of the unexpected which lands at Brent's feet so he can unleash a heartfelt Good Time's which is intense without the overbaring anger that laced the later years, The drummers are next an just go off on a furious pace. A very nice workout. Listen to this drums it need to be listened too. What doesn't show on the setlist is after a little bit o space comes a very excellent jammed out SPANISH JAM that takes it's time getting to the Mission.

Weir brakes out the band whistle for a top tier version of Truckin that melts your face off. Probably my all time favorite version and the peak just hits ON ALL CYLANDERS!!! absolute release, an orgasm of synchronicity, that takes the listener to that special place. I have yet to be able to NOT smile at this and say HOLY FUCKIN SHIT! Jerry picks up the ashes and sweeps them down to the Wharf and delivers a sweet, soulfull, take your time tour. The Sugar Mags picks up thr rested and takes them down the home stretch. The US Blues wasn't even needed. They could have played kazoo's at this point and it wouldn't have mattered.

So the up and down nature of the set is just exactly as it should be. Fast, slow, jammy, bluesy, shaky, odd, soulfull and rockin! Everyone gets a chance to shine and they all step up to the plate and all hit home runs.( Well Phil didn't get a solos or sing but he is there)

A little bias might be in play here a la the 5/8/77 syndrome as this was one of my first soundboards taped from vinayl and got heavy rotation. That being said though, I probably made more copies of this show than any other.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad this thread is revived. Here are more goodies.

11-08-70 Capitol Theater, Port Chester, N.Y. (Sun)
Electric: Morning Dew, Me & My Uncle, Mystery Train> My Babe, Around, New Orleans> Searchin, Baby Blue, Casey Jones, Truckin> Dark Star> The Main Ten> Dancin, NFA> GDTRFB> NFA> Good Lovin

05-22-77 Sportatorium, Pembroke Pines, Fl. (Sun)
2: Help> Slipknot> Franklin's, Samson, B. E. Women, Good Lovin, Sunrise, Estimated> Eyes> Wharf Rat> Terrapin> Morning Dew E: Sugar Magnolia

05-10-80 Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Ct. (Sat)
China Cat> I Know You Rider, Stranger> Comes A Time> Estimated> He's Gone> Uncle John> Drumz> NFA> Sugar Magnolia E: Alabama> Saturday Night
last "Comes A Time": 02-09-79 [71]

And of course Lewiston ME 9/6/80:
2: Shakedown, Sailor> Saint, Althea, Playin> Uncle John> Drumz> NFA> Wheel> Uncle John> Playin> Sugar Magnolia E: Saturday Night> Brokedown

01-10-79 Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, N.Y. (Wed)
Shakedown, Miracle> Bertha> Good Lovin, Dark Star> Drumz> Wharf Rat> St. Stephen> Around E: Johnny B. Goode

11-02-84 Berkeley Community Theatre, Berkeley, Ca. (Fri)
2: Help> Slipknot> Franklin's> Sailor> Saint> Wharf Rat> Gimme Some Lovin> Drumz> Playin Reprise> Bertha> Good Lovin E: Casey Jones
next "Casey Jones": 06-20-92 [549] - first "Gimme Some Lovin"

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! I'd almost rather see 'The Dead' this spring than that Nassau 93 show. Well, almost...

How about the second sets from:

1972-07-18
1973-11-14
1973-11-17 (my personal fav)
1977-05-22
1977-06-09

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucasmcain, yeah man, good call on that 81! Definitely a classic, I believe it is one of the top Wheel performances ever. Good stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Second Set Ever Reply with quote

cheesebeer wrote:
Or third set, closing set, whatever.

In my opinion, and I'm not the definitive expert on the Dead, but 7/18/76 Orpheum second set looks good on paper and sounds great too. Hard to top this one.

Might As Well
Samson and Delilah
Candyman
Lazy Lightning>
Supplication>
Let It Grow>
Drums>
Let It Grow>
Wharf Rat>
Drums>
The Other One>
St. Stephen>
NFA>
St. Stephen>
Wheel>
The Other One>
Stella Blue,
Sugar Magnolia
E: Johnny B. Goode


I smiled when I saw that you had picked this date as having the best second set, cheesebeer, because I sensed that you were on to something.... But I had this date confused with the previous night, 7/17/76, which has a mediocre setlist, but the second set stands out since Donna was absent.

btw, Koch.... I was born less than 25 miles away from your pick. I used to listen to it often before it was officially released. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CricketsandCicadas wrote:
Wow! I'd almost rather see 'The Dead' this spring than that Nassau 93 show. Well, almost...

How about the second sets from:

1972-07-18
1973-11-14
1973-11-17 (my personal fav)
1977-05-22
1977-06-09

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

11/11/73 is hard to beat. Here's another from 9/7/73 Nassau Coliseum

HCS
Mamu
Loser
Let it Grow
Stella
Truckin'
TOO
Eyes
Sugar Mag
Encore-Around and Around
They really saturated the N.E in the early 70s-They played Roosevelt Stadium a month before with the Band as the openers! In July they played Watkins Glen.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Best Second Set Ever Reply with quote

cheesebeer wrote:
Or third set, closing set, whatever.

In my opinion, and I'm not the definitive expert on the Dead, but 7/18/76 Orpheum second set looks good on paper and sounds great too. Hard to top this one.

Might As Well
Samson and Delilah
Candyman
Lazy Lightning>
Supplication>
Let It Grow>
Drums>
Let It Grow>
Wharf Rat>
Drums>
The Other One>
St. Stephen>
NFA>
St. Stephen>
Wheel>
The Other One>
Stella Blue,
Sugar Magnolia
E: Johnny B. Goode


Meh, I dunno....this set starts fantasti but the St. Stephen/NFA section of the show is, to my ears, some of the worst Dead I've ever heard. It totally breaks the flow of what would otherwise be a top contender for best ever...no doubt. I don't have a bes set yet....lemme wake up and see what I can dig out

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too will go with 11/11/73
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/10/81 should definitely be considered a contender...
Two
Samson And Delilah [6:28] ; Althea [8:43] ; Estimated Prophet [10:56] > Eyes Of The World [11:52] > Space [3:16] > Drums [11:45] > Space [5:53] > Uncle John's Band [7:42] > Playing In The Band [6:54] > China Doll [5:42] > Uncle John's Band [1:09] > Playing In The Band [2:37] > Around And Around [3:55] > Good Lovin' [4:25#]
Encore: Casey Jones [5:34]

Some fannin' in the Gluvn for you Gopher!
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So far one of my favorite second sets are from 9/2/79. This was a beast of a show as it was. The first set had one of the best Mama Tried's I have heard in a while. The Stagger Lee was great and Cassidy. Alright now to get to the point of this thread. Terrapin(12:31)>Let It Grow (22:49). This is all predrums. It only gets better with a nice Stella and hip shaking Truckin>Nobodies Fault But Mine.

Set 1

Jack Straw
They Love Each Other
Mama Tried ->
Mexicali Blues
Stagger Lee
Cassidy
Row Jimmy
New Minglewood Blues
Jack-A-Roe
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2

Samson And Delilah
Ramble On Rose
Terrapin Station ->
Let It Grow ->
Jam ->
Drums ->
Space ->
Stella Blue ->
Truckin' ->
Around And Around

Encore
U.S. Blues

postscript, Thanks Koch for suggesting this show a while back.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheesebeer wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
not offhand. but someone better pony up something nice from the pigpen era.


Hard to beat Dick's Pics 16, 11/8/69, which Kochman reviewed in the Pigpen section and Fillmoreeast just wrote about in the latest show you have heard thread.

Dark Star> Other One> Dark Star> Uncle John's Jam> Dark Star> St. Stephen> The Eleven> Caution> The Main Ten> Caution> Feedback> We Bid You Goodnight


Seconded.
Pure awesomeness.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miss Divine wrote:
cheesebeer wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
not offhand. but someone better pony up something nice from the pigpen era.


Hard to beat Dick's Pics 16, 11/8/69, which Kochman reviewed in the Pigpen section and Fillmoreeast just wrote about in the latest show you have heard thread.

Dark Star> Other One> Dark Star> Uncle John's Jam> Dark Star> St. Stephen> The Eleven> Caution> The Main Ten> Caution> Feedback> We Bid You Goodnight


Seconded.
Pure awesomeness.



Me too. That's a great set!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: nassau Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria


Holy nightmare setlist Batman!


yeah, woah.. i feel like i appreciate late-period dead as much as anyone, but woah. this show's not for me.


Holy shit, this has to be a joke. I was at this show and probably couldn't remember the second set 30 minutes later. I think I thought they played a bad set list OK, if this is the best set ever I should have had my head examined...I left a lot of shows excited, and this was not one of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: nassau Reply with quote

bzfgt wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria


Holy nightmare setlist Batman!


yeah, woah.. i feel like i appreciate late-period dead as much as anyone, but woah. this show's not for me.


Holy shit, this has to be a joke. I was at this show and probably couldn't remember the second set 30 minutes later. I think I thought they played a bad set list OK, if this is the best set ever I should have had my head examined...I left a lot of shows excited, and this was not one of them.

Dude, I think it was a joke....

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Duderino wrote:
bzfgt wrote:
snow_and_rain wrote:
Kochman wrote:
swamiGD80s wrote:
04-05-93 Nassau

I Fought The Law ; Way To Go Home > Corrina > He's Gone > Drums > Space > I Need A Miracle > Wharf Rat > Gloria


Holy nightmare setlist Batman!


yeah, woah.. i feel like i appreciate late-period dead as much as anyone, but woah. this show's not for me.


Holy shit, this has to be a joke. I was at this show and probably couldn't remember the second set 30 minutes later. I think I thought they played a bad set list OK, if this is the best set ever I should have had my head examined...I left a lot of shows excited, and this was not one of them.

Dude, I think it was a joke....


Yeah, but with Swami's contrarian, Vince-loving ways one never knows for sure...
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