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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: 09-08-90 Richfield - Vince's 2nd Show Reply with quote

One

Hell In A Bucket [6:06] ~ Sugaree [10:09] ; New Minglewood Blues ; Friend Of The Devil ; Queen Jane Approximately ; Loser ; Cassidy > Deal

Two

Eyes Of The World [17:16] > Estimated Prophet [14:16] > Terrapin Station [13:25] > Jam [4:34] > Drums [8:51] > Space [9:05] > All Along The Watchtower [5:59] > SteIla Blue [8:22] > Throwing Stones [8:51] > Not Fade Away [6:48]

Encore One More Saturday Night [3:11]

******************Set 1***************************************

BUCKET: My cousin Vinny, on the scene with a nice support of the intro! Powerful Phil thumping throughout and excellent Weir vocals at the end. High-energy opener.

SUGAREE: Jerry kicks into gear during the last solo break, and Vince comes crashing down into the final lyrics with a superb "descending" keyboard slide. Yo, Vinny!

MINGLEWOOD: Nothing great here - Vinny was not trusted with a full solo.

FOTD: Leaves something to be desired, despite a good Jerry solo.

QUEEN JANE: Yes - great choice, Bobby. Solid version

LOSER: Another step back in the right direction, and Mr. Welnick fills in very nicely on this one with great tonality.

CASSIDY: Jack Straw could have worked here as well, but this show was not going in the cowboy direction. Rather, a more euphoric feel was beginning to take hold. Great all-around jam at the end with nice timing into the seabirds' flight.

DEAL: Swami's favorite 1st-set closer does not dissapoint - energy level is definitely there, ending on a high note as the set began.

*****************Set 2***************************************

Shocked Cool

The next 50 minutes or so (pre-Drumz) is a truly unique passage in live GD history. I would describe it as festive, yet deeply-layered and carefully-crafted.

EYES: Nice 1990 tempo but not too slow - VW's intro is absolutely priceless. Totally different than what you would have gotten from the late Brent-ski, but a nice refreshing, fun-like-you're-on-a-tropical-island kinda sound.

Jerry busts onto the scene and Phil is all over the place. First verse is executed flawlessly, and then it's off to dreamland with an extended solo break. Yo Vin gets a full solo - slowly earning Jerry's trust - and Jerry responds in kind with tasty melodic noodling. Phil's playing is powerful and up-tempo, coming through loud and clear in the Miller SBD. No lack of chemistry detected whatsoever as verse 2 is barely noticed (due to your state of mind by this point).

Back to the jam, and then an old friend makes it's first appearance of the night, the MIDI !! Yes, Jerry. Did any musician ever have better timing than Jerry? I think not. "Sometimes we live no particular way" comes at the peak intensity point of this mammoth 17+ minute Eyes, and then a final reflective jam leads towards it's natural end.

ESTIMATED: A thunderous Prophet intro on the burning shore of Lake Erie. Phil again flexes his muscles musically, and Bobby vocally. Nice Bobby cheese leading into one of the all-time classic Estimated jams.

Is that a saxophone??!! No - it's Cousin Vinny of course, with the first ever Vinny sax jam following the Estimated vocals. This of course was a tradition in the Vin Era. Phil continues to dominate, but the upcoming Jerry solo is one for the ages.

The next few minutes of pure Jerry leading up to the Terrapin is absolute peak Dead... Jerome begins with the fluid, ultra-clean guitar tone, then the turtle guitar takes control, foretelling what was to come. But yet more layers of jamming were in store. MIDI was next up, with an extended flute solo with the "euphoria" effect reminiscent of late '89 and early '90. All the while Phil is on precisely the same page as Jerry, and the band is perfectly in sync. Then all of a sudden Jerry takes a sharp right turn, steering the bus in a familiar direction - that direction of course being...

TERRAPIN! Notable throughout the body of this version is Bobby's guitar playing. Weir was always an underrated contributor to this song, but here in particular his guitar tone and execution is undeniably great. Vinny is hanging in there nicely, although Brent's Summer '90 tone is somewhat missed here.

End-or-beginning final jam: Jerry goes MIDI-turtle in his progression this time, as opposed to the turtle-MIDI sequence during the Estimated jam. Phil? What can I say - it's a Phil show start-to-finish. The energy and power peak, and then the jam starts to slowly descend into a more spacey, mellow zone.

JAM: As the Terrapin melody disintegrates, Jerry lets some feedback escape from his amp, and Bobby starts in with his discordant, choppy cuts. Phil meanwhile maintains a steady high-to-low progression, creating a nice backdrop for Jerry's extended melodic feedback to expand. This jam is what I would imagine a mountain climber hears in their head when they reach the summit and finally relax after a treacherous ascent. Bobby's choppy blurbs are the opposite and therefore perfect complement for Jerry's ultra-slow, mind-expanding, underwater-style guitar. Seems a lot longer than 4 1/2 minutes.

DRUMZ-SPACE: Mr. Space, Robert Weir, surfs on some of the Mickey Hart drum waves and someone (Jerry on MIDI?) starts playing church-organ sounding stuff....yep it's little Jerry with his toys. Unfortunately nothing much else develops, but thankfully Bobby is to the rescue, with

WATCHTOWER: The intro is all Vince - yeah that's right - Vince! Outfrickinstanding piano to bring us right into the lyrics. Jerry had momentary technical difficulties, but there he is for the rockin solo break.
Phil re-asserts himself during the second solo, with Bobby screeching away and Vinny using some organ. Bonus third solo, as Jerry needed to hit that high, high note - which he did.

STELLA: Can't help but remember Brent here during the ballad slot, this being only the 2nd show since his untimely passing. In a way, these Richfield shows, despite being Vince's intro to the band, were kind of the Brent memorial shows.

Maybe for this reason I interpret this as a rather somber version of Stella - likely just my perception. Vince could have done better here - makes you really appreciate what Brent did in songs like this now that it's not there anymore. Bobby does give us some comic relief in the final "cryin like the wind" lyric with a "boooiiiiiiinnnnnng" guitar surprise. How dare he.

THROWIN-AWAY: Outstanding high-energy finish, well executed. Vince's keyboard tone is once again relevant, and fits Throwin much better than it did Stella. Bobby's vocals are once again full of energy for the "on our own" break. NFA featured some nice jamming and musical interplay - albeit nothing over-the-top.

SATURDAY NIGHT: Vince's first Saturday Night. What if I did the entire review by simply adding after every song "Vince's first (fill in blank with song)." Wouldn't that piss you guys off? Anyway good call to end the show on a high note.

*****************Summary************************************

It's all about the Eyes-Estimated-Terrapin-Jam. That's why this is a Swami Pick. Nevertheless the entire show is well worth a listen. Believe it or not, the Bucket-Sugaree is probably my second highlight.

Vinny's performance? Hit and miss - when he hit, he hit home-runs (Bucket, Sugaree, Loser, Eyes, Estimated, Watchtower), but he also struck out..(Minglewood, FOTD, Stella, NFA). NOT a liability whatsoever during the meat of the show (Eyes/Est/Ter). In fact, he came through during that vital sequence big time.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please, change your lame avatar....

thanks in advance for changing to something that doesn't suck. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: DAve Reply with quote

No, I won't

Dave Schwartz does not suck, so F-you.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HeLive's wrote:
please, change your lame avatar....

thanks in advance for changing to something that doesn't suck. Rolling Eyes



dont slam here, not the place...You want to talk Dead, this is the place.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swami, how right you are!!!

this is an epic pre-drums that i'm afraid many people neglect in favor of the MSG shows around the bend...a grievous error! i didn't have it myself until this summer...SO glad i discovered it...

i love listening to the Terrapin Jam with eyes closed...first time i had visions of prehistoric creatures/dinosaurs lumbering about, then fighting amongst one another...then a pterodactyl swooping down and back up above it all and landing on the edge of a great red cliff...

totally sober. the kind of jam that really is sorta transcendental...in the right frame of mind this music can really move you!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Downloading right now. Gonna listen tomarrow.

Never heard anything from this show, looks to be special, and great review!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a nice show and Vinny is right there! BTW Swami Your avatar ROCKS Exclamation Exclamation Cool Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skobud wrote:
HeLive's wrote:
please, change your lame avatar....

thanks in advance for changing to something that doesn't suck. Rolling Eyes



dont slam here, not the place...You want to talk Dead, this is the place.

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skobud...consistent voice of reason. You sir are one level headed dude Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIght on Skobud... that is the spirit. Self policing is the way to go.

Anyhow, about this show. I want to thank the Swami for pointing it out to me, and twisting my arm to listening to it. It is a great, hidden gem. Vince is out in force, right at the start. He never was any Brent, but, hey, he was good.

That being said, I would have to say the MSG run tops this of course, but when you add BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE to the mix... of course!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ooooh....

a very sensitive bunch around here -- i see how it is --


OK GANG.... (and already you are beginning to resemble one)


how bout that for a pet peeve about deadheads -- VERY CLIQUEY -- Sensitive and fake "KIND"....


nothing new.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh... I see how it is...



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: sasafrassagrassalasalass Reply with quote

what do you mean crotch-man? you look like adam sandler and have a gravel, i mean Tuscan Pebble, driveway, dress like your 14 and have a limo and bodyguards.....?


weird dude, but that is what i am gettin here......


and lighten up anyway, it;s not like this is the Olympics or something....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that is what you got from it, you are beyond a response.

I checked your posting history... you have 5 posts, all but one of them are you lashing out. I am all about keeping it real, but are we all really lame 80% of the time? You have nothing worthwhile to contribute? Good for me to poop on!

I'm sure you do. Try it out, for our sake. I mean, try to have at least a 50% ratio in your early days here.

Two more points,
1) I dig your avatar.

2) Man, I wish I had a driveway like that...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, HeLive's, your user name should read HeLives. The apostrophe is incorrect punctuation. I also like Swami's avatar. I find it funny in an ironic way.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you swami,


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I downloaded this today and I've been listening as I work on our house. I've heard Disc 1 so far, and I love what I'm hearing! Bubbling 16th-note bebop guitar runs, warm and elastic bass sound with wonderful counter-melodies. Vince Welnick sounds great also, supporting Jerry's solos with solid "comping" in a manner very similar to that of Melvin Seals. IMO the reason Welnick didn't stand out more was that he was so good at blending in and supporting the collective mix. He and Bob Weir are all too often overlooked because they blended so seamlessly with the other players.

So many shows, so little time! Thanks very much for recommending this one. Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: yes! Reply with quote

i was at this show and the night before, and they were both tons of fun. a very nice start to the wellnick era. you could tell that they'd loosened up some by night two. i think it's pretty amazing how good this show is considering it's wellnick's second show ever.

your review is spot on... a great bucket, sugaree, nice queen jane, then WHAM: Loser, Cassidy, Deal. I love that combo. but yes, it's the first half of set 2 that this is all about. eyes -> estimated -> terrapin. the jam out of terrapin from this show is on the so many roads box set.

people are so hot on the '91 shows, with hornsby, that people sometimes overlook the shows from this era with only wellnick. i found that he played better when he wasn't being crowded out by hornsby. nothing against bruce, who i think fit in well with the band, but two drummers and two keyboardists was simply too much for the dead. and bruce was a little too prominent in the mix sometimes.

anyway, thanks for writing this one up.

EDIT: am re-listening to this as i write this. the estimated > terrapin transition is pretty stunning!


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Welcome aboard!
Glad you could make it.

There was another member of the site at this run too..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: yes! Reply with quote

snow_and_rain wrote:
i was at this show and the night before, and they were both tons of fun. a very nice start to the wellnick era. you could tell that they'd loosened up some by night two. i think it's pretty amazing how good this show is considering it's wellnick's second show ever.

your review is spot on... a great bucket, sugaree, nice queen jane, then WHAM: Loser, Cassidy, Deal. I love that combo. but yes, it's the first half of set 2 that this is all about. eyes -> estimated -> terrapin. the jam out of terrapin from this show is on the so many roads box set.

people are so hot on the '91 shows, with hornsby, that people sometimes overlook the shows from this era with only wellnick. i found that he played better when he wasn't being crowded out by hornsby. nothing against bruce, who i think fit in well with the band, but two drummers and two keyboardists was simply too much for the dead. and bruce was a little too prominent in the mix sometimes.

anyway, thanks for writing this one up.

EDIT: am re-listening to this as i write this. the estimated > terrapin transition is pretty stunning!






Welcome, and I couldn't agree more about the sound being too much with Bruce and Vinny - as I have posted in different threads. I too am a fan of Vinny alone at they keys, not that there weren't also great shows in the Bruce Era. We won't find much agreement on this from the other members of this site.

I find that the MSG with the introduction of Bruce into the band is far overrated, despite having several great moments and jams. Start to finish, I'll take 9-8-90 over any other show from the tour.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer, Bruce w/o Vinnie...
I did see that someone on the archive gave props to my favorite version of Samba in the Rain... 12/16/92 w Marsalis.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: yes! Reply with quote

swamiGD80s wrote:

Welcome, and I couldn't agree more about the sound being too much with Bruce and Vinny - as I have posted in different threads. I too am a fan of Vinny alone at they keys, not that there weren't also great shows in the Bruce Era. We won't find much agreement on this from the other members of this site.

I find that the MSG with the introduction of Bruce into the band is far overrated, despite having several great moments and jams. Start to finish, I'll take 9-8-90 over any other show from the tour.


I think I got pretty lucky with respect to some of the post-bruce shows i saw. i know that many were bad, but some that i saw were really, really good, like..

6/8/92, 6/9/93, 9/10/93

the nice thing about these is how clearly you can hear the individual members of the band. there was lots of space w/o bruce, and when jerry was on, you could really hear him. they were starting to really gel before jerry's health (and voice) started to fail in 94.

saw the final show, for what it's worth. crap show, but historic nonetheless. i probably saw three legitimate stinkers after bruce -- 6/9/92, 4/1/95 and 7/9/95. the rest were all at least good if not great.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce has been accused, rightly I think, of stepping on toes at times. However, I think more often than not, at least in 90-91, he was a kick in the ass for Garcia rather than a step on the toes.

I wonder if he felt like a catalyst? And that is why he goes overboard a lot?

Anyhow, as far as Vince goes, yes, Bruce stepped on his toes routinely.

Vince is underrated.
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And that fuckin Accordian was as welcomed as a visit of food lot poisoning during the second set. Loved the big piano sound, but errrggggggg! when that apparatus slanked out on stage.
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lucasmcain wrote:
And that fuckin Accordian was as welcomed as a visit of food lot poisoning during the second set. Loved the big piano sound, but errrggggggg! when that apparatus slanked out on stage.


Some songs it doesn't work on... on some, it does.
As Garcia said once, when Bruce sat in with them (93?)...
"We don't let just anyone sit in on the accordian" or something like that.

I don't mind it at all in Dark Star (in fact, it can be quite spacey), and Masterpiece. I am probably in the minority. I know Swami digs it sometimes, he can probably recall better than I can, as he is the Rainman of the Grateful Dead.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New matrix of this show available at archive.org. Sounds pretty nice so far.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife and I jetted in for this pair of shows and had a fantastic time (those were the days!). The band sounded great and the jams were nice and long. A belated thanks for the review, Swami.

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Just having heard it again for the nth time, I just want to say again that I'm a huge fan of this Estimated -> Terrapin transition. It's not only the show highlight, it's a highlight of the era. Scary good.
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snow_and_rain wrote:
Just having heard it again for the nth time, I just want to say again that I'm a huge fan of this Estimated -> Terrapin transition. It's not only the show highlight, it's a highlight of the era. Scary good.



Agreed S&R - the Estimated jam is fully-textured with carefully-thought-out tonality, tasteful MIDI, and Vince's debut of his saxaphone solo. A work of art.

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