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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Estimation Reply with quote

Well, we have two threads that include estimated as part of a combo here, yet no thread dedicated to it!

SO, here it is...

I firmly believe that 1980 was the best year for estimated.

12/12/80 is probably my favorite version, a new discovery... followed by 6/12/80
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4/13/84 Hampton. After a colossal Scar>Fire, we get a 15 minute Estimated with all the fixins. great stuff.
4/12/82 and 4/19/82 are cool for the reprise of the major key jam during the outro noodlefest.
A killer one I listened to the other day was 1/11/79 Nassau. Sick ass shit.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9-3-77!!!!
Sorta grabs ya by the boo-boo......
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, no one else likes the Prophet enough to comment?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, what is the matter with you people Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another good one from 80 - 9/4/80, the first jam is Jerry Rocks
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5/22/77 - the one on Dick's Picks 3. My favorite Estimated, hands down.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love this song whenever i hear it, i just can't recall any specific versions.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edit: 11-4-77 is nice
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, perhaps a contest here...
I will pit my June 80 version against ANY 77 version... and we can make it a poll...
Any takers?

EDIT: Kochman has been told before, grateful dead is not competitive.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
OK, perhaps a contest here...
I will pit my June 80 version against ANY 77 version... and we can make it a poll...
Any takers?

EDIT: Kochman has been told before, grateful dead is not competitive.


I'm in. I'll pit the 5/22/77 version against all comers.


(that show goes Estimated>Eyes>Wharf Rat>Terrapin>Dew. Doesn't get much better than that!)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite version is from neither year but from 12/26/79...UJB>Estimated>Jam>TOO>Drums>Jam>NFA>Brokedown Palace>A&A>JBG.... Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ IMKind... ok, but we have to figure out how to make people actually listen to both before voting... ideas?

@Fillmoreeast - good call on that one, close enough to 1980 to fall into my 1980 was the best year for Estimated idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listened to 11/5/79 on the way home and to work this morning
Eyes>Estimated>Franklins. Excellent transition into Estimated and a great version of the tune. This sequence is ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kochman wrote:
@ IMKind... ok, but we have to figure out how to make people actually listen to both before voting... ideas?

@Fillmoreeast - good call on that one, close enough to 1980 to fall into my 1980 was the best year for Estimated idea.


I was thinking we could provide the links to each version; but since mine is on DP3; is there any link available?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMKind wrote:
Kochman wrote:
@ IMKind... ok, but we have to figure out how to make people actually listen to both before voting... ideas?

@Fillmoreeast - good call on that one, close enough to 1980 to fall into my 1980 was the best year for Estimated idea.


I was thinking we could provide the links to each version; but since mine is on DP3; is there any link available?


No AUD available? Mine is an AUD anyhow...
I think the way we make them listen is to make them comment on both songs, and then choose... we tally by hand rather than the convenient polling system provided by forumup.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think i've ever heard an Estimated from '77 that overly impressed me.

'78-'83 were the years for it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I don't think i've ever heard an Estimated from '77 that overly impressed me.

'78-'83 were the years for it.



Your abrupt ending of prime era prior to 1984 offends me. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="swamiGD80s"]
Gopher wrote:
I don't think i've ever heard an Estimated from '77 that overly impressed me.


Don't think I've heard a BAD 77 Estimated Very Happy , but I see where you're coming from. They get better for me (generally) when they stopped going back to the vocal section at the end of the song.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="maximinus"]
swamiGD80s wrote:
Gopher wrote:
I don't think i've ever heard an Estimated from '77 that overly impressed me.


Don't think I've heard a BAD 77 Estimated Very Happy , but I see where you're coming from. They get better for me (generally) when they stopped going back to the vocal section at the end of the song.


Welcome aboard.
Look no further than 10/29/77 for a stinker of a 77 Estimated... Keith's work is completely boring and uninspired... it hurts my ears to listen to it. He single handedly ruins it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1977 Estimateds are too mellow and lack serious intensity compared to what the song became '78 onwards. Sometimes mellow is better, not the case here.
Why Keith messed around with syths during '77 is beyond me.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Sometimes mellow is better, not the case here.


Oooh, sorry....but that's incorrect. Razz

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMKind wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Sometimes mellow is better, not the case here.


Oooh, sorry....but that's incorrect. Razz

Nope, I looked in my book, and he appears to be right on this.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ lol nice.... "there are shows that aren't in music stores!?!" Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I can see by the initial posts that my Estimated would lose to yours on this forum, Koch. So [CENSORED] it, you're all wrong and I'm never speaking to any of you ever again. I wish you were all dead.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

holy cow - 9/2/80 i thought the first jam in 9/4/80 was intense, they keep this one going and going, i highly recommend this estimated
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1980 was the year of the Prophet man... and yes, those two Sep ones are nice!
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chingsinkly wrote:
holy cow - 9/2/80 i thought the first jam in 9/4/80 was intense, they keep this one going and going, i highly recommend this estimated


I just listened to the 9/2/80 Estimated. I thought it was good, although it didn't really transport me anywhere....but what did is the Terrapin right after it. A beautifully subtle version that hit the spot for me tonight. And there's a pretty darned tasty PITB right after that. This is obviously a strong show. I'm going to have to back up and listen to the whole thing. Idea

Edit: Yeah, this is a really tasty show. It's got subtlety and focus. Brent takes a really interesting and different lead on Friend of the Devil, and the Sugaree is bouncy. Jerry's voice is also quite on point this evening. ...amazing China Cat as well.
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I will throw in 84 as a competing year for 80. The segues into Eyes were pretty hot as well in 84.

94 has the longest and second longest Estimated Prophet then 80 in for third longest.
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IMKind wrote:
chingsinkly wrote:
holy cow - 9/2/80 i thought the first jam in 9/4/80 was intense, they keep this one going and going, i highly recommend this estimated


I just listened to the 9/2/80 Estimated. I thought it was good, although it didn't really transport me anywhere....but what did is the Terrapin right after it. A beautifully subtle version that hit the spot for me tonight. And there's a pretty darned tasty PITB right after that. This is obviously a strong show. I'm going to have to back up and listen to the whole thing. Idea

Edit: Yeah, this is a really tasty show. It's got subtlety and focus. Brent takes a really interesting and different lead on Friend of the Devil, and the Sugaree is bouncy. Jerry's voice is also quite on point this evening. ...amazing China Cat as well.

I've been a big booster of this show for a long time. Great first set Sugaree, and a China>Rider>Sailor>Saint>Dont Ease 1st set closer. 3 song power slot, and a crushing Dew post drums.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seconded (thirded?). Listening to the summer listening show reminded me how much I love 9/2/80. Nothing showy, but powerful, beautiful stuff. The Terrapin>Playin really is magical, and, um, the Dew? The Dew.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dig the show, the estimated in particular though doesn't do much for me
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of all the 390 versions of Estimated Prophet, there were only a few times the band reprised the middle bridge jam at the end of the song.
I know of three, all from the early '80s:

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The first time - surprising everybody, just where the ending jam usually trickles out, they burst back into the middle jam. It's very brief, and they awkwardly jump into Uncle John's Band. (But they make up for that by skipping the last chorus of UJB and just jamming out the second break for five minutes.)

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Two years after that, Weir introduces Estimated uncertainly saying, "If this doesn't work...it's gotta work..." This is a loose & sloppy version, and the reprise is half-hearted and quickly dies out as they head for Uncle John's.

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They try it again a week later, and it's much better. This time Jerry gradually cools it down to segue into Terrapin.

And lastly, I'll note that this middle bridge section was apparently the first part of Estimated to be composed, back in '74 - here it's tried out at a soundcheck, sounding very different from how it finally turned out. (Imagine, if Weir were a quicker songwriter, perhaps it could have ended up on Mars Hotel as part of a different song?)

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