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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:44 am    Post subject: 10 Days of Summer 1974 Reply with quote

Lately I have ventured back to Summer tour '74 and I realized something.......All of my favorites from '74 are within ten days of each other.....

6/18 - Louisville - Holy freakin DEW, All time WRS>jam> TOO> Its a sin Jam>Stella. Everyone knows about this show and with good reason. revisit it, soon...

6/20 - Atlanta - I dig this one so much. I am a sucker for a great Ship O Fools and this one has it...Again, the second set jam is setup so well by Big River then SOF that the transition into the jam starting with Truckin' seems effortless.

6/23 - Miami - Agan, very well known, mostly because of the DS Jam>Spanish Jam>US Blues.....There are other reasons this show should not be overlooked as well. For one, I think this is the best setlist of 1974. Secondly, it opens with Ramble on which is a great way to get the crowd goin......And finally LET IT ROCK, which is an all timer.......

6/26 - Providence - This is one of those shows that I think it is a diservice to it if you do not listen to it in its entirety(or at least a set at a time)....What I dig is the flow of it. It seems like the whole show is on big jam, even though its not. The first set is like a cowboy jam with an early Row Jimmy or something.......Koch, you and Goph are always talking about the "X" factor, and this show personifies that.......You know its good, but there is something about it that takes it to the next level....

6/28 - Boston - This is a Dick's Pick(12 I think). The WRS>>>>>US Blues is an all time jam segment for me. I think this is the second best DP besides DP 16.....Koch has a very in depth review of this show posted and I think the review is well done...Bottom line, this also an incredible show.....

So this bring me to my point, WTF was going on during these 10 days....Was there something in the water? The fact that these five shows were performed in a TEN day period just blows me away. Also keep in mind the travel. Kentucky>Georgia>Florida>Rhode Island>Massachusetts................PEace
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah man, what was it that made them fire on all cylinders?
Must have been the __________...
I wish I knew, and I wish they did it more often!
What a stellar period. Interesting the travel in those 10 days! Jeez. I guess they just slept on the buses man. That is a lot of mileage. Of course, they had two walls of sound the leap frogged each other from location to location if I remember correctly.

Of them all, I think 6/28/74 has what is perhaps the most monumental jam ever... too bad the 1st set of that show was lackluster.
In 6/23 don't forget the BattleShip of Fools... probably my #1 version (#2 being 9/19/90).

You do make a very good point, June of 74 was pretty much the peak of 74, beyond a doubt. There is other great stuff from the year, sure, but this is the tip top.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skobud, what about 6/16 Des Moines??
3 killer sets. One of my favorite China>Riders and an Eyes>Big River that is amazing. As good as any of the others you mention IMO.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Northwest swing ain't too shabby either. U of Montana!!!,Let it Grow> Dark Star, Vancouver, Portland. All real strong.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Skobud, what about 6/16 Des Moines??
3 killer sets. One of my favorite China>Riders and an Eyes>Big River that is amazing. As good as any of the others you mention IMO.
Is that the China>Rider where they play "I been workin' on the Rail Road?"

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: 1974 Reply with quote

6-16-74 was my first show!! It was a musical road-trip beginning in Kansas City's Arrowhead Stadium on Friday night (6-14-74) with the Allman Bros. Band rocking us all. That was quite a hot show and ABB were loud and the guitar work on their raucous blues and rock was stratospheric. We got up early and were traveling in my convertible VW bug (top down) and took country roads all the back to the Des Moines Fairground. Yes, that is because we were not fit to drive on the interstate nor the highways with regular citizens, but staying on those gravel roads with occasional stops for exploration fit the bill.
Tickets to see the Grateful Dead in Des Moines show were $3.75 (I think) The weather was wonderful as we traversed those back-roads, laughing, partying, and goofing to our hearts content. Needless to say the statutes of limitations have lapsed on that prankster period but I will stick to the show story as opposed to the side trip. We pulled into a campground and set up camp and as was our penchant 'back int he daze' began furiously rolling smoke-able party favors for the looming Dead show.
The next day we arrived at the venue (the show was supposed to start at 1:00) that Sunday. And it turned out to be a wonderful outdoor spot with the 'Wall of Sound' erected several hundred yards in front of the Iowa Fairgrounds covered grandstand. We were standing out front milling about, being part of the show and watching others do their part, frizbee, t-shirts (still have mine, a threadbare wonderful homemade "Garcia" image), sales of various items and all of a sudden we hear "The show will start at 12:30" from a bullhorn, so we decide to head on in. I heard later they thought is might rain so they started early.
(I have never since saw an early start of a Dead show, have you?)

It is hard to describe how visually striking that 'Wall of sound" was sitting in front of us. It was simply immense. The Allman Bros. sound system was loud 2 nights before but was absolutely dwarfed by this massive scaffolding & speaker construction. CSNY's system wasn't even 1/2 of this and they blew our socks off. So what would this sound like?

We all ran about before the shows and there was a little stand for Rounder records with some miniature album covers advertising Jerry's new album, a Kingfish album, and the Grateful Dead's upcoming release "Mars Hotel". I marveled at the wonderful illustration of a seedy hotel on a Martian landscape. Little did I understand what I was about to witness. Party favors circled about and the crowd swelled against that elevated stage in anticipation. The band had played here last summer and I had heard from my grinning buddies about the "double rainbow' that appeared on cue (as was so prone to happen at the Dead shows) during that show.
The show started and the Dead ambled out to tune up. There is Keith on his grand piano, Billy at his drums in the middle under this cylindrical-suspended-speaker-section, Phil in his shades, and Bobby with a flannel shirt (to ward of the cool breezes blowing in). But who was that in a red 'Mars Academyl' sweatshirt? It looks like a chubby Dustin Hoffman. No it's JERRY, he shaved off his beard! He still had massive sideburns ala the sixties. They tuned up and began playing and off we go-"Bertha" yes!!!!!!!!! and the crystaline sound of that system. Unbefuckiin'liveable, just off the charts, beeffy bass, and loud!!!! Weeee!!!! There is Donna singing along.
And the Grateful Dead took me on a journey- of americana, country, space, rock, jam, fable, fun, rollar-coaster, turn on a dime. And something else. My first Scarlet Begonias which I thought it was going to be China Cat when I heard those first simmering leads. But after that I was then gifted with my first China Cat> I know you Rider (I agree gentlemen, what fun) then. Mexixcalli, Row Jimmy, Around and Around and others were in that first set. Then the first break.
This was the old days and this was to be a 3 set show.
Second set included a ethereal maiden (for me) Eyes of the World that magically segued into Big River. Other new and old tunes. This is stupefying for me, and I was thunderstruck with Phil's bass bombs and then a staggering Playin' in the Band to end the second set.
More, they are coming back. My mouth was hanging agape, I look to my buddies, and they stared wide-eyed back at me. The Dead will be back for more? Another set? How much more can they show us. I thought that I am saturated, no more wonder will fill this swooning cranium. My buddy who had been at last year's show smiles knowingly at me, nobs, and leans back with that Neal Cassady guffaw and we all break up giggling. Then yes, the Dead come out to astound us with more tales, mysteries, and celebrations,....
Set 3 Truckin'>Wharf Rat> Nobody's Fault Jam> Going Down The Road Feeling Bad and the encore singalong Casey Jones. Beyond belief...........
We staggered back to the VW to make the trek home to Lincoln, Nebraska. What!! It is 6:00? How long did these guys play?!!!!!!!!!! How long indeed.
Summer of '74 indeed, FilmoreEast.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

July and August were not too shabby either. Saw them 7/31/74 i CT.(Dillon Stadium) a three sey monster. The again 8/6/74 at Roosevelt Stadium. Some of this show is on a Dicks Picks. These were strong shows but not completely mind-blowing. 8/6/74 was probably the better of the two. You are exactly right tknight the WOS itself was enough to blow minds. It's hard to put it into words especially when it was functioning correctly.The boys looked like ants standing in front of it. I can only imagine what it must have sounded like indoors!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Indoors? Reply with quote

Indoors? That boggles my mind, since outdoors it was awe-inspiring.
The Wall OF Sound indoors must have turned the floor into an undulating trampoline with periodic audience levitation (not including the party favors enhancement of such manifestations!)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great story tknight!! I barely remember my first show in 79 - up in the nosebleed seats at the Cap Centre. I am envious of you oldsters!! The WOS must have been amazing.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, mine was in 94, and I can also barely remember it...
At some point, I still want to write about it because there was a personal experience or two worth mentioning...
I didn't know about 1/2 of the songs they played at that time though...
The Dancing Skeletons were the bomb though! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it started ten days earlier though. on 6-8
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea that tour started earlier, but I was just talking about my favorites.....I did leave off 6/16, but I am starting to think I shoulda included it. Dude said something about it initially, and I have put it back in rotation.......I still like 6/18 better, but 6/16 is a monster and I cant imagine that being my firsst show........Yes, I am jealous tknight......PEace
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fillmoreeast wrote:
Duderino wrote:
Skobud, what about 6/16 Des Moines??
3 killer sets. One of my favorite China>Riders and an Eyes>Big River that is amazing. As good as any of the others you mention IMO.
Is that the China>Rider where they play "I been workin' on the Rail Road?"


that's the one! amazingly I listened to this for the 1st time EVER just a few days ago and Shocked no idea why I waited so long, has moved into one of my favs, the China> Rider is a magnificent assair, clocking in at around 10 mins alone for Chine with some serious Jammage!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylan&theded wrote:
it started ten days earlier though. on 6-8


Oh yes. The MOTB release of 6-8 is special.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I am giving the shows I initially discussed here yet another full listen. I think we can all agree that the boys were off their asses during all of these shows. They were tight as hell and there was real fire in their playing. The one thing that has stood out to me this past weekend is Kieth. For example the Eyes on 6/16, he is phenominal. The Dew on 6/18(which happens to be my all timer) his playing is so delicate, but with a purpose. The trading he does with Jerry there just blows me away ever time. I think Kieth took many of these unbelievable shows just a little further.........There are so many examples and I chose two of the most glaring......Kieth man, KIETH..........He adds that extra dimension, and I am all about it......PEace
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, going to go out on a limb here...
6/18/74... I just don't get all the hype for that show.

Seriously.
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Ohhh man, c'mon....I would start by asking how you define a great show? For me it is performance and setlist then recording, just as far as the basics are concerned. I think the actual arrangement of the setlist and not just the setlist itself is very important. I would also say that performance has a few factors as well...How Jerrys vocals sound, as well as timing and charisma amongst everyone in the band. Now these are the standards I use, and I have seen some pretty ridiculous standards used(Wine Spectator Rating system). Anyway, here is what I hear when i listen.......

First I would say Bobby really jumps out at ya right from the start of this show(granted you cannot really hear him until BIODTL). NTL, he is hot throughout this show. To go along with this point I would say all of the cowboy tunes are done extremely well. Jerry's noodling during Mexicali and El Paso especially is very nice. So #1 is the Bobby factor, he sounds great and is full of pizazz.

#2 would be Phil and Kieth. I said my piece about Kieth earlier, so I will talk about Phil. I dont really know what criteria is used for a show to be a "Phil Bomb", but Im pretty sure this one has all the elements. I think Phil shines the brightest during the really heavy jams, but his soft tones that are crispy are what I really like. There is also a sound like a laser beam or something that he seems to use on almost al of the WOS shows. If anyone understands what I am describing and knows what effect that is I would like to know. I would say the Eyes>China is an example of what I am trying to describe here as far as his playing. That laser beam sound is throughout..

#3 Would be the classic Wolf sound. I love it, I love the sound of the slidepiece on it, and I love the tone. My description of the tone would be a slighlty muted very sharp or steely sound, that is overdriven. I remember reading an interview that Kimock gave where he said Jerry told him he kept his bass control on his amp all the way down, and used the mid for bass control. There were many other factors with his rig(impedance mismatch, keeping that Mac dimmed, the Wolf itself) which gave him that tone....The tone always sounded overdriven to me, like almost at the point of distorting but not really......The Wolf sound

#4 The setlist. I think its flows well, tells a story, and the energy is not lost in either set. Often I find myself thinking "If they woulda done this tune instead" in certain spots. I dont find myself doing that for this show. This setlist is a fantastic representation of what exactly was going on with the band at the time. I think it sounds like Wake and Mars, with very little Donna interference. Besides all that, this Dew as the encore for this show can't be beat. It was a remarkable time for the Band, and the obvious WRS>Stella and Eyes>China arent too shabby either.........I duuno Koch, I just think this show kills it. If it wasnt for the sound being screwed for the first 4 tunes, I think it would be as good as any. Thats it Bro.....My take
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WRS Prelude> WRS Part 1> Let It Grow> Other One> It's A Sin Jam> Stella Blue
This is precisely the portion I think is overrated. I guess it is akin to how some think the 11/11/73 "meat" is overrated as well, which may be my number 1 great "meat" portion of the 70s, or all time even.

I agree with your ideas about how a show stands out, except part 4 (except I also feel equally pleased with Wolf, Tiger, and Rosebud)... I just don't find the playing to be that superior to other dates. Its just not the magic portion to me...

Within the year 74, I would take WRS Prelude*> WRS Part 1*> Let It Grow*> Space*> Mind Left Body Jam*> Jam*>US Blues as the best meat (the rest of 6/28/74 leaves a lot to be desired though).

As far as overall complete show from 74... not sure which I would take as a full show "masterpiece"... there are many that are insanely good, but I prefer both 72 & 73 to 74 most of the time...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skobud wrote:
Ohhh man, c'mon....I would start by asking how you define a great show?


That's an interesting question. For me, a great show is one in which the improv is really working. When the magic's there and they are in uncharted waters. (As you might surmise, Dark Star is my favorite song. Very Happy )
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Ah, a DSHead!

Make sure you check out Dogstarz DS project then!
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Kochman wrote:
Ah, a DSHead!

Make sure you check out Dogstarz DS project then!


Will do.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: where can I find a SBD copy of 6/28/1974 Reply with quote

where can I find a SBD copy of 6/28/1974...its hard to find it seems as some of it was officially released as a Dicks Picks, but I want the parts of the 2nd set that wernt released
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: where can I find a SBD copy of 6/28/1974 Reply with quote

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where can I find a SBD copy of 6/28/1974...its hard to find it seems as some of it was officially released as a Dicks Picks, but I want the parts of the 2nd set that wernt released

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Or, you can try to download the whole thing from demonoid.me or piratebay.org...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unfortunately there is no link to a SBD copy on this forum as portions of it were a Dicks Picks. I havent yet found it on a torrent or anywhere else. If anyone can direct me to it I would greatly appreciate it.
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ratsnest74 wrote:
unfortunately there is no link to a SBD copy on this forum as portions of it were a Dicks Picks. I havent yet found it on a torrent or anywhere else. If anyone can direct me to it I would greatly appreciate it.
Dick's Picks 12. You may want to try sugarmegs.org

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